PeterJames

Maybe they didnt think that one through completely

Do you have any virtual guns? Its like most things, in its day it probably was good, most here would say the same about the panels we installed 15 years ago. But its tech, and its been switched on for a long time, the longer its on the more warn out its getting. Most of us here have been installing for more years than that panel has been around, and from experience we can say that it will go wrong sooner or later. None of us have a crystal ball, but we all have experience of elderly panels failing at silly o clock in the morning or the day before someone wants to go on holiday. You could just wait till it goes wrong, and hope it fails at a convenient time. Or you could take the advice of experience and plan ahead. Its up to you we dont care either way. If you do decide to upgrade you will benefit from better features like fobs, smart-phone apps, better energy rating, (the panel is using electricity 24/7 old transformers are not as energy efficient as the latest switchmode psu's) and ultimately less false alarms.

One of my engineers moved to SA for a while, his first week as a tech (that's what they're called in SA) there was a tech shot by armed response while up a ladder fixing a bell. Apparently they all have jackets with a big T on the back to try to prevent them getting shot.

Surely its not just the uk that has inspectorates though?

Were the installers you chose accredited ? If so complain to their inspectorate

As this place is full of installers I dont think you will have much luck

Panel is obsolete, and I dont think it was ever prox, I could be wrong I was never a Menvier fan

When I was 17 in R&D I used to work for a company that made surge protectors. the ones that go on overhead cables have real bullets in them, they are put together by hand in a bullet proof box with two hand holes with a bullet proof screen so you can see what your doing. They tested them in a similar box without the hand holes

hi

It hasnt been serviced since 2002, usual story new people move in press the panic button wondering what it is, then dont have a code to switch it off.

I surveyed a system that I installed in 92 yesterday, I serviced it a year 93 later and the following two years 94 & 95 it was serviced by an engineer that left but is back working for me. It was quite weird reading the log book

Hi Roger and welcome

Its a 30 year old appliance that was never that good when it was new. If it hasnt been serviced for a while chances are the battery has died and taken out the charging circuit. Change the panel is the right advice

We used Ditec automatic door controllers

OP do you have a multi meter and know how to use it?

BS8418 BS En50131

That said the dreaded Grade 3 for jobs that dont require G3 is a bloody nightmare to explain to some people. Insurance brokers are the worse, followed by customers who think that highly sensitive detectors and door contacts will be fine in their dusty old plastic factory with doors that blow open in a gentle breeze.

I get tenders through daily with weird shrimps on it, insisting on Grade 3 and but audible only, or quoting 4737 its why they specify that the installer must be accredited, its like heres something to make the client think we know what we are talking about, but you're the expert you tell us how it should be. Normally I quote exactly what they specify and then when I get the tender and get in front of the client I change it for what they need. I have several architects that specify us as their preferred specialist because we dont make them look like ducks

But still no M.C's?

yeah I didnt read it properly I get bored with long posts

if you cant you can wire two doors in series on the same circuit, you shouldnt put two motion detectors on the same zone but door contacts are fair game. I would never use a motion detector as final exit though

There is in the trade section

The "Report Fail "is not the reason for the alarm activating, that's just telling you that it was unable to communicate. Its a DIY panel so not many here will be familiar with the panel but I am sure that it has a log(memory) get the user manual out and work out how to read the log that will tell you what triggered the zone then come back here when you still dont know the cause. When was the last time you changed the main battery?

Im thinking of putting my non contract charges up to £250, the problem with £120 is its still cheap enough for people to actually say yes. We rather people just take out a contract than call us out for one off jobs that are quite often more trouble than they are worth. When you get there they are never as easy as they explained over the phone.

It will deter american burglars