PeterJames

You think we never had big systems when I was installing ? How do you think I got so quick at twisting wires, we used to use lots more cores back then eol wasn't out when I started installing. Mind you there were a few takeovers back then that looked like an Afro explosion of colours when you opened the panel

I was twisting wires together when you were in nappies .....probably! LOL Seriously I bet I could twist a pair of wires neater and quicker manually than you can with a drill

I wouldnt use a drill personally it's not that hard to do it manually, and you don't save any time or get it any neater with a drill Hello btw and welcome, I have a mate in NZ Ian Brand do you know him?

No, but his co is also a bang it in for a tenner profit brigade, theyre in another town from me

What people charge is a good indicator of how good they are likely to be. If you are in high demand you can afford to charge more, if you are desperate for work then you will cut the price to the bone to get the job. Rarely will you find a good trades person thats not busy, we charge much more than our local competition but I cant remember the last time we didnt have a full diary for at least a month. Yet our competition are advertising £299..00 fully installed junk again and their vans are parked outside their shop every time I drive past

Most reputable companies would not be buying their equipment from Ebay. As an installer anything we supply and install is provided with a warranty, if it goes wrong we have to come back and replace the bits that fail, which is expensive. Therefore it is very risky buying stuff from an unknown source like Ebay. You could be buying refurbished, or repaired, or returned equipment. I had a customer that used to supply their own batteries every year for a wireless system that we maintained, because they were £1.50 cheaper on ebay than the ones we supplied. That was until they started giving him low battery faults the day before he was due to go on holiday, less than six months after we had replaced them for him. He ended up paying far more, a call-out fee and our batteries at £1.50 ea more (buy cheap buy twice). Our batteries are well within their shelf life from a reputable supplier and warranted by us, not fake copies or old stock. Sometimes buying stuff on ebay can save cash, but I would not buy stuff that I needed to rely on from Ebay .

QFA Dahua is good, but price is to cheap, subtract the price of the kit and there is no profit and a very small labour charge, pay peanuts get monkeys.

Its one-way wireless system, which means that the detectors have no idea wether the panel is armed or disarmed. Early one-way wireless systems used to transmit every time it saw a movement, but the batteries didnt last very long. So to save battery power the detector shuts down for a period of time every time it sees a movement, this leaves your property vulnerable just after its armed. One-way also has many other vulnerabilities. But as a wedding dress shop you are hardly likely to get attacked by a professional cat burglar, (or are you? those dresses can be thousands!) its all about the risk at the end of the day. If your insurance insists on monitored, I would air on the side of caution and choose a two way wireless system or better still hard-wired.

Sounds cheap get three quotes, buy cheap buy twice

Hows that dress coming along, you havent got long now

Oh dear I think you may need to call someone out.

Hi steve it will be the battery backup, down power the system remove the battery, power back up

In that case your problem is definitely the switch

Thats the one good thing about buying half decent tech over the best tech, I was quite jealous of the new washer your missus got it looked really cool. My missuses Samsung is a couple of years old now so it will be another couple of years at least till we get a nice new flash one like yours. James's Miele will last another twenty years before he will need to upgrade to the latest tech machine

I had to remove a panel the size of a small fridge, it was full of relays it was a long time ago when I was small and cannot remember what it was, I have an idea it was a AFA panel. Castle 1250, Bentley. Omega, Munford and White, Arun Elite, Racall Countess/Rascal, DA Ambassador or something or other. Been there got the tee shirt.

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Optima is the model, the manufacturer is no longer. Is there no phone number on the external box? It could be a diy system so you may have to get the yellow pages out and try and find someone willing to come out to it.

I saw Hull on the only fools and horses Christmas special if it helps?

Do you remember when insurance companies had never heard of Dual Com? It is true that the grading was supposed to help, insurance companies were supposed to choose the grade but they dont have a scooby in most cases. But thats not really the standards fault is it? On another note how many times have you gone to quote a Fire Alarm and the customer hasnt had a FRA or worse the FRA doesnt give the grade of system required?

Why so angry?? Now I see it completely different from you EN50131 was not that far off 4737, The Grading was an improvement, alarm confirmation was an improvement, yes there were many things wrong with 50131 PD6662 made it workable (which again brings me back to my point) but you could say the same about 4737. 50131 did mean that I could employ French German and Polish engineers without having to provide to much training as they were already familiar with 50131 and that the purpose of having a EN standard end of the day.

So your saying that adding PD6662 was what made it workable ?

There is room for improvement on everything but as you said nothing is perfect and never will be

Things do change,sometimes for better sometimes for worse, and it was already not perfect but it was never unworkable, which was my point.

Hullo

It all depends on the risk, though the other thing to consider is current drop to the locks. The whole reason that access control systems are not made as ten, twenty, and thirty door controllers is because the manufacturer expects you to install the controller in close proximity to the door.