thorfun Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share Posted December 11, 2013 'New builds', if the builders are worth there salt, they should be allowing for alarms, if they are not then the architect is imho at fault-not rocket science is it, allow for sky, BT, data network etc etc for your multi engineered home-ahhhhh- what about an alarm to protect all this high tech stuff.........ooops...to late.You make a valid point here. But the developer in this case (well, the sales assistant speaking on behalf of the company that is!) told us that they used to cable for wired alarms but most people didn't utilise the wiring. So, it's obvious that they can cut costs and get a bigger profit margin if they don't bother with the wiring. It's annoying for those of us who would've used the wiring but I understand the economics. Hence....I'm stuck with the wireless route and less than ideal cable routing! But don't forget to always look on the bright side of life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 In new builds it's easy to get the bell and upper hall cable down. Downstairs just depends on panel location etc. Quote ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergibbons Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Not an installer, just someone who plays with alarms.  I don't see the point in going for a 1-way system anymore. Scantronic Ion is pretty poor, vulnerable to jamming (intentional or not) and replay attacks (read this PDF on the Abus Secvest http://sitsec.net/files/secvest_analysis.pdf, Cooper have verified the same protocol is used with Ion). I wrote about the differences between one and two way systems from a technical perspective a while ago: http://cybergibbons.com/alarms-2/alarm-technologies/it-swings-both-ways-especially-for-rf-comms/  The Pyronix Enforcer is pretty good I think, but I think I prefer the Texecom Richochet gear. I like that you can use Wintex (PC interface software) easily with Texecom. The design of the system, electronically, is much more compact and looks like it was done from the ground up, whereas the Pyronix gear looks a bit hodge-podge. Quote I have a blog, some of which is about alarm security and reverse engineering:http://cybergibbons.com/    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorfun Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 Not an installer, just someone who plays with alarms. I don't see the point in going for a 1-way system anymore. Scantronic Ion is pretty poor, vulnerable to jamming (intentional or not) and replay attacks (read this PDF on the Abus Secvest http://sitsec.net/files/secvest_analysis.pdf, Cooper have verified the same protocol is used with Ion). I wrote about the differences between one and two way systems from a technical perspective a while ago: http://cybergibbons.com/alarms-2/alarm-technologies/it-swings-both-ways-especially-for-rf-comms/ The Pyronix Enforcer is pretty good I think, but I think I prefer the Texecom Richochet gear. I like that you can use Wintex (PC interface software) easily with Texecom. The design of the system, electronically, is much more compact and looks like it was done from the ground up, whereas the Pyronix gear looks a bit hodge-podge. I've already read your blogs which is why I want a 2-way system! I found them very informative. So thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergibbons Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ah, cool. Glad that it was informative. Quote I have a blog, some of which is about alarm security and reverse engineering:http://cybergibbons.com/ Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ah, cool. Glad that it was informative. You're getting famous ! Quote www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Just hope another flash upgrade comes out. You tried any Risco cybergibbons? Quote ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 id be interested in that cg. if you ever want kit to test/find out if its any good/help me use good stuff etc let me know ill send you what sia use foc to test and publish Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ah, cool. Glad that it was informative.  Yes, for a start I had no idea the old Homelink 75 lived on in euroland! Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 id be interested in that cg. if you ever want kit to test/find out if its any good/help me use good stuff etc let me know ill send you what sia use foc to test and publish I was thinking of testing 50 HKC's. Quote I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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