jb-eye Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I would have gone with beam paired to. Remember it's a G2X is bells only thus no confirmed anyway Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 Yeah I know the whole concept of 'confirmed' is irrelevant with bells..... Bet you its wired in series. So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Clearly SSAIB haven't taken issue with their past 'achievements' www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 At  the end of the day its a new set of directors I suppose - wouldn't they (SSAIB)  be on dodgy ground legally?  Same staff on tools, same office, and same phone number, and a strangely familiar logo though.... (the logo on the bells is nothing like anything on the website. The S is about 200pts and rotated so it could almost be a 2....) So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Funny you should mention that. I share the view if inspected and they meet standards, as a certification body SSAIB (not nsi) would be able to say no or they could face trouble however I have my own discussions with SSAIB at the minute where they refuse to give us a badge despite being compliant with a scheme because we aren't doing it in a traditional way. I pushed back to them on the grounds that as long as it was compliant on what grounds were try saying no. Discussions continuing . . . www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I pushed back to them on the grounds that as long as it was compliant on what grounds were try saying no. Discussions continuing . . .And therein lies one of the problems the inspectorates have brought on.We've covered this before. They want people to do things their way and only their way. And people wonder why this industry is dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 And therein lies one of the problems the inspectorates have brought on. We've covered this before. They want people to do things their way and only their way. And people wonder why this industry is dying. They didn't see my point of view at all which was if it is compliant then it isn't for the certification body to dictate how that compliance is met. That said not having the badge is no barrier whatsoever to what we want to do. In many ways it enhances it not having it but in the spirit of doing things properly . . . www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 I was going to say, if its not intruder - well, perhaps especially if its not intruder...  Whilst I'm here does anyone want to comment on my RA and SDPs?   demo SDP.pdf demo RA.pdf So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Well, I did this job today swapping out for an LCD based panel.  The two detectors in the initial picture...  Wait for it, wired in  PARALLEL?!!??!!  Or as the job sheet which I found (but sadly haven't got) stuffed on top of the cabinet said 'wire garage in parell'  Twisted wires to connect speaker in trunking - no insulation  Taped up twisted wire joints in loft  Somehow ran out of wires for SAB so joined Strobe to Siren!! (Lets not forget even old panel was PD 2010)  Front door contact was Grade 1 without tamper.  All from an NSI gold sold as Grade 2X. (Not a cash job or homer). Class and a half. So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Well, I did this job today swapping out for an LCD based panel.  The two detectors in the initial picture...  Wait for it, wired in  PARALLEL?!!??!!  Or as the job sheet which I found (but sadly haven't got) stuffed on top of the cabinet said 'wire garage in parell' Beam Paired  Twisted wires to connect speaker in trunking - no insulation Double insulated  Taped up twisted wire joints in loft Sort of double insulated  Somehow ran out of wires for SAB so joined Strobe to Siren!! (Lets not forget even old panel was PD 2010) Economy wiring Front door contact was Grade 1 without tamper. System is G1x  All from an NSI gold sold as Grade 2X. (Not a cash job or homer). Class and a half. 1 Point for the door contact. Must do better. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Well, I did this job today swapping out for an LCD based panel. The two detectors in the initial picture... Wait for it, wired in PARALLEL?!!??!! Or as the job sheet which I found (but sadly haven't got) stuffed on top of the cabinet said 'wire garage in parell' Twisted wires to connect speaker in trunking - no insulation Taped up twisted wire joints in loft Somehow ran out of wires for SAB so joined Strobe to Siren!! (Lets not forget even old panel was PD 2010) Front door contact was Grade 1 without tamper. All from an NSI gold sold as Grade 2X. (Not a cash job or homer). Class and a half. That is real old school, not seen 2 detectors in parallel deliberately installed for many years, but was used early days of motion sensors. no elephant catchers or quads back then, MWD and Ultrasonic 's were king.Principle was if one detector was tripped by a draft, the other stopped the activation, but a large target would trip both at same time. Could also be used for animals, as long as one did not cover stairs as example, better than stuffing large slug on the zone . Edited October 3, 2013 by arfur mo If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secureiam Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I was recently told on a course i attended, that you can have two detectors close together and it comply as long as the paths dont overlap. Â so some kind of narrow curtain beam pir and a normal pir would give you a no overlap but they wouldnt overlap? Â whats your take on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Yes u can have the same tech without overlap or you can overlap and use a dt securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secureiam Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I thougth on many dt the microwaves played havoc certainly herd of isues with devices on other sides of the wall and within a metre or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Have you, ive never seen it be a problem. Ive heard engineers blame it, but always turned out to be something else securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Engineer fantasy Glad our engineers aren't doctors as the number of misdiagnosis would lead to large scale deaths www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlarmScot Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Funny you should mention that. I share the view if inspected and they meet standards, as a certification body SSAIB (not nsi) would be able to say no or they could face trouble however I have my own discussions with SSAIB at the minute where they refuse to give us a badge despite being compliant with a scheme because we aren't doing it in a traditional way. I pushed back to them on the grounds that as long as it was compliant on what grounds were try saying no. Discussions continuing . . .  Just do what our company do and refuse to be part them.  Have we saw work dry up? = No, we actully got busier i say. As engineers we still are expected to meet same standards but we just can't display logos.  I have heard SSAIB have begged them to join again thou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 ssaib would securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Interesting and a story I hear often. There was a day that no badge meant no decent work. Think that ship has sailed. So far this year we have done 2 jobs that needed any approval. At £40k though it was worth SSAIB fees to get it. Bulk of what we do, no one cares. ssaib would Super successful alarms inspection board wouldn't be so successful without recruitment of companies www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 first 2 are super ****? but you have decided to undercut the super sh, for a non securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 That's terrible James. I quote "gaining SSAIB approval isn't easy, nor should it be." www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 your takeover history puts ssiab in such high regard That's terrible James. I quote "gaining SSAIB approval isn't easy, nor should it be." and you think? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Erm mr Wilson I have as many scopes as you do your takeover history puts ssiab in such high regard and you think? When I watched the videos I thought they were a promo for Nsi at first as it doesn't resemble the world I know! www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Erm mr Wilson I have as many scopes as you do  no you dont securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Intruder Access CCTV 8418 What product schemes you got that I don't? Plus I had to earn my 8418 on a real site. You got in given without proving competence www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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