datadiffusion Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) In the last dying gasps of this Ex-WSM Gold (hmmm... who could that be??) they did this bells only as a G2X. Full paperwork not a homer or cash job etc... To be honest I'm now (possibly) changing the panel just over a year later so haven't thoroughly investigated this little setup; as its going to be changed for a DT and, hey, might just put a contact on at least one of the 2 external doors to the area. It's either wired as a 2 zones to get a confirm, or wouldn't be at all surprised if wired in series to cut down on FAs.... Remember the same brains behind it are still trading..... If we get the job I'll let you know how it was wired. Edited September 28, 2013 by datadiffusion So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 It was allowed in a bygone day to have 2 detectors so close together. I remember seeing it at an install and I complained to SSAIB only to be told DD243:2002 allowed it but in the 2004 version onwards it isn't. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Yeah I have seen it in shops etc... This was 2012 though. The panel is just about still in warranty probably! So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Yeah I have seen it in shops etc... This was 2012 though. The panel is just about still in warranty probably! 9 years grace period probably won't wash then . . . www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 dont see a major issue as its 2x if in series. Not great if in parralel. Might have been done afterwards after a false alarm issue? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Really you're allowed motion detectors in series.... Although I suppose I can't think where it says not to I suppose? Would you do it? Householder says done like that from new BTW. So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Really you're allowed motion detectors in series.... Although I suppose I can't think where it says not to I suppose? Would you do it? Householder says done like that from new BTW. No, motion sensors in series is a no no. Contacts, pas ok www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 I'd have thought that too; but does it say that anywhere....?! So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 my bad, your right if not latching then its a nono securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I'd have thought that too; but does it say that anywhere....?! Yes, in da rules! In the last dying gasps of this Ex-WSM Gold (hmmm... who could that be??) they did this bells only as a G2X. Full paperwork not a homer or cash job etc... To be honest I'm now (possibly) changing the panel just over a year later so haven't thoroughly investigated this little setup; as its going to be changed for a DT and, hey, might just put a contact on at least one of the 2 external doors to the area. It's either wired as a 2 zones to get a confirm, or wouldn't be at all surprised if wired in series to cut down on FAs.... Remember the same brains behind it are still trading..... If we get the job I'll let you know how it was wired. What is the new company name they trade under? Red hot alarms could be quite catchy . . . www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Muppets. (Them not you two!) So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 What is the new company name they trade under? Red hot alarms could be quite catchy . . . 4i? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 4i? Shh. Least I don't name my company after a government quango . . . www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Shall we have a competition as to what the 4 i's stand for.... Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 i thought the i bit was short for skin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 lol Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Shh. Least I don't name my company after a government quango . . . we was there first but the barstewards wont let their domain go securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Thought sia was getting binned so you might get a chance? www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I would say they are probably programed as beam paired two separate zones both zones have to activate before a non-confirmed activation. A little more sophisticated than in series because single detection activations are still logged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 depends on the panel Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 think i can claim ti be possibly the first to fit a Pir ind parrellel to an mwd. ///pause for astonishment/// before pir's were the first choice, on Chubbs the AFA MWD was favoured. Well sime chump specified one in the ceiling void. so whats the problem you ask? well this was Ratners Jewellers shop, under the railway line bridge in Southend High Street. Kept truggering surprise surprise, guy would not sign to disconnect it. so i installed what was then a very mew tech Racal 771 pir in parallel. Result was no more false alarms. Suprvisor picks up the report, asked who authorised it - explained - told to remove it, so i said yup! OK, but any calls you cover it. After 6 he asked me to go back and re-fit the pir lol! Anyone know John Chantry? if you do, then you can ask him . If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 think i can claim ti be possibly the first to fit a Pir ind parrellel to an mwd. ///pause for astonishment/// before pir's were the first choice, on Chubbs the AFA MWD was favoured. Well sime chump specified one in the ceiling void. so whats the problem you ask? well this was Ratners Jewellers shop, under the railway line bridge in Southend High Street. Kept truggering surprise surprise, guy would not sign to disconnect it. so i installed what was then a very mew tech Racal 771 pir in parallel. Result was no more false alarms. Suprvisor picks up the report, asked who authorised it - explained - told to remove it, so i said yup! OK, but any calls you cover it. After 6 he asked me to go back and re-fit the pir lol! Anyone know John Chantry? if you do, then you can ask him . i dont doubt it for a minute.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rulland Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Quad and DT to give confirmed in a bygone age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 i dont doubt it for a minute.... it's no different in principle to todays dual-tecs, back then even double knock, beam pairing or programmable panels had not been introduced. For false alarms if you could not find the cause or did not have the time, you installed a 1uf cap to "slug" the zone against intermittent's, idea being by the time that got bad enough that the cap could not overcome, it was easy enough to find on a swing needle meter.. trouble was some guys took it to the extremes, you'd find 1000uf installed, thief could open a door, have a bath, knick the gear well before the bells went off. If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Yes, in da rules! What is the new company name they trade under? Red hot alarms could be quite catchy . . . http://www.spansec.com/ depends on the panel Veritas with LED keypad... So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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