matthew.brough Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Disclaimer - I'm not an engineer, but I have had a Yale alarm for testing for a while. It does seem fairly reliable (alarm signals get through), it doesn't false alarm, it doesn't detect jamming when there is none (it doesn't detect jamming when there is jamming though), battery life seems OK. It is trivially easy to jam and has a number of other electronic vulnerabilities. But the panel has no configurability at all. The sensors all default to entry zone, so you have plenty of time to get in and rip the panel off the wall. The manual doesn't even really explain why you'd want to alter any settings. Not surprised. When A1 sold via b&q and gave people choices I'm sure that lit up the technical helpline which in the end seemed to send them bust. Al on entry ore configured. Can't go wrong. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 It doesn't false alarm, when it's supposed too? May or may not work when required. Allows plenty of time to empty the lounge. Sounds that a good system to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 It doesn't false alarm, when it's supposed too? May or may not work when required. Allows plenty of time to empty the lounge. Sounds that a good system to me. Agreed. If I was a robber I'd rate it 5* www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Think I'll have a change or "career" . ..... Now where's that swag bag and balaclava Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxshifter Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Has anyone investigated who now owns Friedland?? http://www.friedland.co.uk/en-GB/contactus/Pages/default.aspx Maybe our favourite wholesaler might start selling it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Just go out and hunt the yale boxes. Advertising to all they have a ***** system. cg, in your opinion can you give a top 10 chart styles countdown of what you have tested? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergibbons Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Best - Texecom. It's pretty secure. Mesh works. Everything looks like it has been designed by the same team, build quality is excellent. Pretty Good - Pyronix Enforcer. Pretty secure. Few odd quirks (if you remove a detector whilst panel is off, it arms fine later). The panel has the feel that it is bodged together, too complex. Pretty Good - Visonic PowerG. Pretty secure. They have crippled the FHSS in the model here - 4 freqs at 64 hop/s. Can't see how it meets regulatory requirements like this. Bad - A popular grade 2 system. Meets the spec, but that is it. Has three different RF frontends in it, which limits use of neat tricks and means development is complex. Really bad - Yale. Easily jammed. Pin sent in clear. Really bad - Friedland SL. Lots of models siren based. Easily jammed. I have more but no others stand out! Bidirectional radio, in my opinion, is the biggest thing to improve security. I have a blog, some of which is about alarm security and reverse engineering:http://cybergibbons.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 So you prefer 2 way in security. thanks for above too securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Without an engineer having anywhere near cgs knowledge, if you'd have asked him to write the same list don't you think it would look pretty similar? www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergibbons Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Without an engineer having anywhere near cgs knowledge, if you'd have asked him to write the same list don't you think it would look pretty similar? It's clear that care in one aspect (protocol design) carries through to things like PCB design, case design, and better usability. I wish Visonic would respond on the FHSS limitations, as it makes a pretty good system much weaker. I have a blog, some of which is about alarm security and reverse engineering:http://cybergibbons.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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