PeterJames

Oh and Map 6 as the name suggests is limited to 6 fecking detectors, that's four fecking less than ten!

Define "a bit like"? My definition would not be "its the same as". My definition would be "it is a similar idea" Both systems use id chip of one form or another on one fecking circuit! Yes that's where the similarities end but you cannot deny that they are similar. Its not a pair of cables per zone is it? And the Map 6 we have is on a big house and its on old alarm cable, but not a small circuit by any means

I have a site with one, he has a proper alarm as well, but uses the map 6 to check if doors are open before setting, the leds are active wether its armed or not. I would say its 40 years old rather than 30, late 70's early 80s.

HKC still have ID

The map six is wired in series with what look like diodes across each circuit. The diodes are all numbered and when the circuit is open it changes the current flow on that circuit so the panel knows which circuit is open. A very clever design, bit like how ID systems work nowadays.

When was the battery replaced last? There is no EOL resistors on this panel its double pole, tamper and circuit. I would start off metering the cables wired to Z3 removed from the PCB if they are closed circuit then fit a link in Z3 and see if the fault is still there, it could be a fooked panel especially if the battery hasnt been touched since 2014

Lots of crap I agree its almost what I would call you get what you pay for. Not in my experience, cameras that know the difference between a human and an animal or vehicle, face recognition, face detection, line crossing detection, intrusion boxes, work very well

Panic button pressed somewhere?

I have to disagree re CCTV too. I remember when CCTV could only tell you what happened, nowadays AI CCTV tells you its happening. Plus picture quality FPS and everything else is better than it was last week let alone last year, or ten years ago.

Unless your over 50 and dont understand tech, why wouldnt you use this shite, some of it works really well "Alexa, turn on the TV" Strangely I spotted one of these Ring bell boxes while walking the dog this morning. Its only about ten doors down from me, it looked quite good.

Hi and welcome, I have seen plenty of changes in the last 35 years, you dont have to que up at the local Police station to put something on test anymore is a biggy, I used to hate that. Mind you you dont even have to call the ARC to put it on test you can do it by app.

Its not a security device its a door bell that allows you to answer the door when your out, sometimes .... rarely....never. If it worked like the advert would have you believe I would have one. Ive tried Ring (crap) Hikvision (crap) Dahua (crap) Nest (crap) and Chinese cheapo worked better than the others but it was only 700tvl and after a couple of years died, and the later 2mp replacement was crap. I have the Dahua video entry system now (crap) its hard wired to the Lan it still doesnt call me when my phone is on the same fooking network Ring doesn't work if its stolen you can default it but the mac is registered to you, it cannot be registered to anyone else unless you release it. Hik, and Dahua, can be defaulted via Hik and Dahua I am not sure if you can report it stolen like you can the Ring. I made full use of the ring no quibble money back gtee which is easy, the only nice thing I have to say about the product

In theory ring and all the other doorbells connected to the internet are a great idea. If only someone could make one that works 100% of the time

Its in the thread, but if it dont work it needs servicing https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=1741

Theres a blast from the past, my favorite is the smokin floorboards, the stuff you could get away with before H&S started locking the cupboard under the sink

You have, just because they are not wanted to hear doesn't mean they're are wrong. We make nothing out of helping people here but we are limited on the help we can give. Most of us have busy and profitable businesses, an ex ADT customer makes no odds to us if we could have helped you without breaking any rules we would have figure of speech I dont care if your offended its only words

Your suggesting something that hasnt been invented and we as a forum have limited control over, also if someone entered that code by mistake it would be bye bye alarm

Wanting something we cant give, you wouldnt have known without asking

If the customer had the engineer code from the start, you move liability of the system working as it should to the customer. No insurance company will ever accept it because there is always going to be the worry that the customer deciding to meddle with the system themselves when say they want to move a detector due to decorating. They go into engineer and unwittingly they reprogram the system so that it doesnt work in the event of a burglary. What do you think they will do when they are burgled and the alarm didnt work? I can hear my customers now saying "I have been paying all that money each year and the system didnt work when I was broken into, my insurance wont pay out so what are you going to do about it?" Then from the engineers point of veiw, I know that I would not feel happy being the last person to service an alarm system knowing full well that the customer has the ability to faff around in engineer mode after I have gone. The last engineer on site could get accused of sabotaging the alarm system (inside job) if a customer defaulted zones unwittingly then a burglary was to happen. As others have tried to point out, when you buy a security system, you are not just buying a few items that someone screws to the wall, you are buying an assurance that it will do what it was intended to do. Anyone can screw bits to the wall, programming and testing it to work correctly and understanding how the programming works is another matter. If you want to know the engineer code of your alarm, fit it yourself or use a non accredited company to install it, you wont have anyone to sue if it fails to operate, but when you decide to get rid of it you wont have this problem. Anyway all of this is by the by as you have a man with a hammer coming to sort it for you. Have you told your insurer that you no longer have an alarm btw?

The problem is in order to wipe it, or do anything to it they have to send someone to site, and they dont have engineers that work for nothing, nor vehicles that do not require any fuel or maintenance to get the engineer to your property, or any admin staff that work for free to organise it, and so on. To have engineer codes per customer would be a real ball ache, we have all thought about this over the years a code based on postcode or customer number. The thing here is, if this was the case and ADT gave out engineer codes to customers when they canceled their contracts it would not be long before the method of how the codes are generated is worked out, leaving all ADT customer vulnerable. ADT have a responsibility for all their customer, and less so for the ones that leave (they are no longer a customer) Later panels can be programmed remotely and panels can be defaulted remotely, but this is a fairly new development, and probably not available when your panel was installed. ADT are not try to scam you, they are protecting their customers, and you are welcome to pay someone else to disable it, or try to disable it yourself, or just leave it where it is and not use it

Hi and welcome

Bonus dayus and welcome!

Tell the engineer that you know it and he will change it, we all have more than one engineer code. Good to know that they are 24/7

All approved security companies operate 24/7, if yours doesn't then he wont be approved, which means your not insured anyway. Mind you if he has given you the engineer code lets hope he has good insurance.