PeterJames Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: As far as fire on a Grade 3, leaving out the issue of 'why is OP doing DIY to G3' I don't see the issue with this as it does not form part of the intrusion detection, it's surely an ancilliary same as connecting a freezer or other technical alarm? Using all grade 3 kit and installing it to grade 3 is fine but you cant call it grade 3, in the same way as if we installed a grade 3 system and put a grade 2 door contact on it, it then becomes grade 2. Not a problem unless something happens and the insurer wants to see the cert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 But fire detectors and freezer alarm contacts are not graded at all, as they are not intruder componenrts to PD6662? I appreciate I am not approved, but surely a graded system doesn't mean you can't have ancilliaries that don't form part of the intruder system? Are there really no Grade 3 (or Grade 2 for that matter) systems out there with technical and freezer alarms attatched? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 If a lower graded i&has part is fitted to an i&has then it lowers the overall grade however fitting an unrelated switch to signal something else isn't i&has 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, james.wilson said: If a lower graded i&has part is fitted to an i&has then it lowers the overall grade Yep just for clarity I'm fine with, and understand that, just confused that we seemed to be saying you basically can't fit ANY ancilliaries or monitored input devices to a graded system. Edited July 22, 2019 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 You can as long as they arnt i&has components Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, james.wilson said: You can as long as they arnt i&has components Dude what with "I&has" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Intruder and hold up Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: Yep just for clarity I'm fine with, and understand that, just confused that we seemed to be saying you basically can't fit ANY ancilliaries or monitored input devices to a graded system. Ancillaries do not effect the grade of the intruder, grade is effected only by intruder components Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, james.wilson said: Intruder and hold up Ah fair enough, I thought it was a spazzy typing of IAS 42 minutes ago, PeterJames said: Ancillaries do not effect the grade of the intruder, grade is effected only by intruder components Right thats fine I just thought you were saying something different when you said "Using all grade 3 kit and installing it to grade 3 is fine but you cant call it grade 3,", wrt to fire detectors. Obviously the installation isn't really grade 3 if its DIYed but that's the whole reason I'm still confused why anyone would want to. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, datadiffusion said: Ah fair enough, I thought it was a spazzy typing of IAS Right thats fine I just thought you were saying something different when you said "Using all grade 3 kit and installing it to grade 3 is fine but you cant call it grade 3,", wrt to fire detectors. Obviously the installation isn't really grade 3 if its DIYed but that's the whole reason I'm still confused why anyone would want to. Agreed, you can put lipstick on a pig and call it your wife, but its still a pig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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