PeterJames

Do you remember when insurance companies had never heard of Dual Com? It is true that the grading was supposed to help, insurance companies were supposed to choose the grade but they dont have a scooby in most cases. But thats not really the standards fault is it? On another note how many times have you gone to quote a Fire Alarm and the customer hasnt had a FRA or worse the FRA doesnt give the grade of system required?

Why so angry?? Now I see it completely different from you EN50131 was not that far off 4737, The Grading was an improvement, alarm confirmation was an improvement, yes there were many things wrong with 50131 PD6662 made it workable (which again brings me back to my point) but you could say the same about 4737. 50131 did mean that I could employ French German and Polish engineers without having to provide to much training as they were already familiar with 50131 and that the purpose of having a EN standard end of the day.

So your saying that adding PD6662 was what made it workable ?

There is room for improvement on everything but as you said nothing is perfect and never will be

Things do change,sometimes for better sometimes for worse, and it was already not perfect but it was never unworkable, which was my point.

Hullo

It all depends on the risk, though the other thing to consider is current drop to the locks. The whole reason that access control systems are not made as ten, twenty, and thirty door controllers is because the manufacturer expects you to install the controller in close proximity to the door.

I suppose you dont have that sort of thing oop north

Not sure it will work the way you think it will, there are humans involved

Until recently I was using them for all my outbuildings, they were fine. I have since wired to the main outbuilding because I wanted to put the NVR in it along with some other stuff and I would have had restricted bandwidth connecting remotely to the NVR

So do you think that 4737 was better or worse ?

Thats a matter of opinion LOL

What importance does my nationality bear on this conversation.? I am trying to understand what you think is wrong with the standards

So you are saying that because the people who currently decide the rules, do not understand your industry. But you cannot give an example of what exactly they are doing wrong?

Whats your point? I already said there had to be rules, I asked if you think it would be happier if the rules came from someone you voted for?

Remember its bad luck for me to see it before the wedding

If it were forced upon us from someone you voted for you would be happier??

I knew that, but why did the BS version need it was what I meant

There is never ever going to be a perfect solution 4737 was far from perfect. There has to be rules otherwise you have anarchy and everyone just installs what they feel like and how they feel like doing it. I could never understand why we had to have stand by power for so long in the new EU standards, but then we had Seeboard doing essential works over a weekend on a industrial estate up the road and every burglar alarm was going off by early Sunday morning apart from the ones we installed. There is never going to be a perfect standard that looks out for every problem you may come across, because you cannot account for everything that may or may not happen.

Sorry, none of us install Gardtec panels so we dont know how to change it. But to be helpful if you replace the battery every four years you wont need to change the timer, assuming that you buy a branded battery from a reputable dealer that rotates his stock regularly and not one thats been sitting on a shelf for three and a half years

Have you tried changing the battery?

But why do you think these points are wrong? Code using 6 digits is more secure than 4, I think that a Pace is less secure but on the other hand the false call being passed to Police simply because someone forgot their code was equally a problem. So lets look at the door contact problem, there are several different types that suit many different doors there are graded flush and graded surface, the only ones I see that are a problem are the grade 3 sites they are a pita but is G3 there for higher security or because the EU are insisting on it?

What is wrong exactly with the standards we have?

Depends on how you look at it, I have a 2008 transporter we purchased six years ago for £18k. At 129k miles the engine has gone we have spend at least £3k on it over the last couple of years with stuff failing plus servicing of £500 per year so total cost £24k divided by 6 =£4k pa we have just purchased a three year old Traffic for £5k if it lasts two years it will be better value for money. I have had a quote for engine rebuild at £4k I can buy a similar example for £6k on autotrader so do I spend £4k so I can sell it for £2k or do I try and sell it as is? Or do I just scrap it? My plumber has a transporter, it spends more time in the garage than it does on the road

Well I wont be buying any more VW's