Replace Paragon plus with new version

[Guest 0]

I am looking to replace a Paragon plus alarm with a newer model, currently looking at the Pyronix Euro 46, or Texecom Veritas excel

 

In regards to the Pyronix, is this simple enough to do for DIY installer as there are limited instructions online, can you still use the home control app? or do you need to be a registered installer? On one of the sites there is a product recall, (*currently stock delays due to a software issue recall), therefore should you steer clear from these

 

[datadiffusion 618]

Which sites for which panel?

[Guest 0]

Model - EURO46/S-UK-V10 

Security warehouse website 

https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/security-control-panels-c-36_102/110-input-zone-small-c-36_102_101/pyronix-hyprid-euro-46-v10-panel-p-5449.html 

[datadiffusion 618]

Well, I would probably rather steer clear of a manufacturer who doesn't recall stuff and pretends it's all fine, than one who does.

[Guest 0]

True! just wondering if other sites selling them have had a recall and are selling them with updated software

 

[datadiffusion 618]

Something you're aware of @james.wilson?

[MrHappy 1,689]

I can update firmware....

 

A vertias with an LCD is very different from Euro 46

[Guest 0]

57 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:

 

 

57 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:

 

Mr Happy,  i assume the Euro 46 is more advanced? however can the Euro 46 be DIY

installed  

[james.wilson 727]

No I'm not ill ask tomorrow

[sixwheeledbeast 471]

If you go Texecom then use a Premier 24 Poly not an Excel

[Guest 0]

7 hours ago, Logan said:

Is the keypad on the panel or is it a remote keypad version 

It has the keypad on the panel and there is a remote key pad

[Guest 0]

8 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

If you go Texecom then use a Premier 24 Poly not an Excel

Thanks, i will look into this one. 

5 minutes ago, Logan said:

Do you use the remote keypad the most or the panel keypad the most

We will be using the keypad the most as the panel is hidden

[MrHappy 1,689]

9 minutes ago, Logan said:

The excel is probably a better panel for a DIYer as it doesn't use EOL. 

 

you can wire a excel, euro or premier eol if desired...

[al-yeti 512]

1 hour ago, Logan said:

For some reason my premere only seems to accept EOL

Reality you don't know jack , let alone alarms 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Logan said:

i worked on tons of panels even ones from the 1980s

Most of them faulty

[sixwheeledbeast 471]

13 hours ago, Logan said:

For some reason my premere only seems to accept EOL

It's all in the programming....

[Guest 0]

Does any one know if there should be any issues with using the paragon wiring and external siren with the Pyronix Euro 46 (Note i do not want to use EOL for ease of fitting) . And when you purchase the Pyronix does it come with full instructions as there are limited downloads on the internet 

1 minute ago, Guest said:

Does any one know if there should be any issues with using the paragon wiring and external siren with the Pyronix Euro 46 (Note i do not want to use EOL for ease of fitting) . And when you purchase the Pyronix does it come with full instructions as there are limited downloads on the internet 

I want to use the same PIR's as well. 

[Guest 0]

 

10 minutes ago, Logan said:

Yes the 46 includes the install, programming and user guide 

 

Your bell box should be compatable  (you can attach a picture if you want so i can verify that it is compatable)

 

I believe the recall was for communication to ARC (alarm receiving centre)

 

Thanks for the info, I will get a picture tomorrow. 

 

I assume the recall was just a firmware update in the end?

 

Do you believe the PIR's should be OK? 

 

 

[james.wilson 727]

You can still use eol just if your replacing then the sensors could probably do with it too

[Guest 0]

On 11/02/2020 at 19:43, Logan said:

Yes the 46 includes the install, programming and user guide 

 

Your bell box should be compatable  (you can attach a picture if you want so i can verify that it is compatable)

 

I believe the recall was for communication to ARC (alarm receiving centre)

 

Hi Logan 

 

I have attached the bell box picture, I want to use this to start, with the aim of replacing it later in the year. 

 

1 other question, do you need to be an installer to use the home control app on Pyronix? 

[datadiffusion 618]

try Elmdene

[Guest 0]

56 minutes ago, Logan said:

Ventcroft primia 2  yes it is compatible but i recommend you replace it as its 20+ years old but its up to you if it still works 

Heres a suitable Replacement

 

You can download the home control app without needing to be a engineer 

Thanks Logan, yep was going to replace, just waiting for summer to change.

 

Can you resend the link for a suitable replacement. 

[MrHappy 1,689]

2 hours ago, Logan said:

Im not really a fan of new elmdene (since when they moved to Chinese production)

 

The pic is a pre phone day Elmdene Prima

 

Phone day was in 1995,

 

I fail to see why anyone would want to retain a knacked old alarm box even "until the summer"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest 0]

I am looking to upgrade to Euro 46, reviewed all the instructions. However before i start tampering with the old setup. what is the best way to remove old panel without triggering the external siren. I do not have the engineers code and one of the external sirens is difficult to access at this moment

[sixwheeledbeast 471]

Unlikely to be possible if the bell is in full working order.

[al-yeti 512]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

I am looking to upgrade to Euro 46, reviewed all the instructions. However before i start tampering with the old setup. what is the best way to remove old panel without triggering the external siren. I do not have the engineers code and one of the external sirens is difficult to access at this moment

Disconnect mains and leave dangling on the side with battery inside

 

Or just take it off and let it bell for 20mins