Ssaib, Our First Visit Today

[MrHappy]

I think I'm fancying one of these.

What if they come & only check 1 system & it does not comply ?

[matthew.brough]

I don't disagree with that at all, However as we all know,

The debate will always be an on-going thing between bodies,  Both are recognised by insurers. If you have it, You have it sort of thing.

 

This was discussed earlier, We would never achieve NSI Gold, I couldn't be ar$ed with the ISO side of things, Far too much to be doing with.

 

 The more worrying thing is if things carry on we will need neither. There was a post on linked in http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=249927461&gid=4505413&trk=eml-anet_dig-b_nd-pst_ttle-cn&fromEmail=&ut=19u_IL3LQjOlM1 where some numpty was bragging on about how important approval was.

 

The only people who would recognise us in any higher regards if we become NSI Gold is our competitors. Police / Fire / Insurers / End User couldn't give a toss. ISO is a ton of ca$h and you will know when you are at the right time for it. Until then, it's just an overhead that you would never get any benefit out of.

 

As much as I detect paperwork, I love our ISO but it was needed at a certain stage in our development, not at day 1.

What if they come & only check 1 system & it does not comply ?

Clamp his car until he gives me the medal.

[whistle]

Tbh, I have no reason to go for NSI. We very rarely lose a job through not being NSI

As a company we are here to make a profit and as much of it as we can, saying that we don't cut corners. Since getting in the SSAIB club in 2006 we have 1 non conformity that was for a 13 amp fuse in a spur that a sparky fitted, we requested a 3 amp fuse on the spec and it was not checked on commissioning the system.

SSAIB allows us to win 95% of the jobs we quote apart from the large tenders we have been offered that state NSI gold only. But to be fair I don't want that kind of work any way.

So what's the point ?

Edited June 17, 2013 by whistle

[Oxo]

Still got a few saved then

[matthew.brough]

Tbh, I have no reason to go for NSI. We very rarely lose a job through not being NSI

As a company we are here to make a profit and as much of it as we can, saying that we don't cut corners. Since being getting in the SSAIB club in 2006 we have 1 non conformity that was for a 13 amp fuse in a spur that a sparky fitted, we requested a 3 amp fuse on the spec and it was not checked on commissioning the system.

SSAIB allows us to win 95% of the jobs we quote apart from the large tenders we have been offered that state NSI gold only. But to be fair I don't want that kind of work any way.

So what's the point ?

 

2 main reasons. If you want to sell, NSI Gold companies historically have got more cash and the industry perceives Gold companies as better than SSAIB. As I pointed out on the linked in thread, the only people who value Gold are not the ones making decisions to buy our products.

 

For me, as the bar is higher to get NACOSS Gold / ARC Gold it just something I want to do, but I accept it will give me no gain commercially. Just a personal want.

[Cubit]

Saying that I suppose it is relative. I don't know how many system you have. If you have 10 and he looked at 3 then 30% of your estate has been checked. If you have 1000 systems and 3 were looked at, the exercise is pointless.

 

You can't have accurate fa stats as you aren't polcing them although hopefully after today you will get that luxary soon enough.

 

The NSI-v-SSAIB debate has long been discussed here but I can see to an NSI Gold company where NSI are over them like a rash to get their badge and see a post showing SSAIB spent 5 hours with you why NSI is viewed as the more valuable medal.

Following Jeff's constant rants on the subjects and long discussions with James I think I'm fancying one of these.

FFS you can't have it both ways.

Fella went through an inspection, seems he did very well - perhaps he was well prepared. If so, good on him.

Now you are picking fault with the stats of inspections. Remind us all again which inspectorate you are with?

Oh, and your argument regarding the stats is flawed.

 

As for the badge.Unless things have changed, NSI don't give a rats **** regards type of system (intruder, Access CCTV), your covered even if they don't inspect the type of system.

[matthew.brough]

Still got a few saved then

Indeed I do

FFS you can't have it both ways.

Fella went through an inspection, seems he did very well - perhaps he was well prepared. If so, good on him.

Now you are picking fault with the stats of inspections. Remind us all again which inspectorate you are with?

Oh, and your argument regarding the stats is flawed.

 

As for the badge.Unless things have changed, NSI don't give a rats **** regards type of system (intruder, Access CCTV), your covered even if they don't inspect the type of system.

I think you will note my opening part of my comment was that I am sure everything was in order hence why it went to quick.

 

You are correct NSI will give approval when they haven't inspected certain scopes whereas when we did CCTV/Access/8418 we were audited on them. 8418 is actually a separate fee and scheme all together although not I believe with NSI.

 

We are SSAIB however I would like to 'upgrade' to NSI Gold. Would still keep SSAIB though.

It's the Gold I want. I accept cubit it is mainly all marketing but I'm a brand snob.

Hard to though NSI's criteria is much higher.

[Cubit]

Hard to though NSI's criteria is much higher.

Is it??

Any verifiable evidence to support the claim?

Do they have a different version of Regs?

 

They want need members.

Beggars don't turn away donations.

[matthew.brough]

Is it??

Any verifiable evidence to support the claim?

Do they have a different version of Regs?

 

They want need members.

Beggars don't turn away donations.

As someone who has gone through both SSAIB and NSI application process then yes, I have plenty of notes and documents for the differences. At the time we didn't go forward with NSI despite having all our inspections however the new management team in town (minus banksy) I like and now is the time to look at NSI again.

 

They don't have a different version of regs, they just write their own additional requirements to the regs from what I understand and make them a mandatory code of practice.

 

Not an NSI fan cubit?

[Cubit]

As someone who has gone through both SSAIB and NSI application process then yes, I have plenty of notes and documents for the differences. At the time we didn't go forward with NSI despite having all our inspections however the new management team in town (minus banksy) I like and now is the time to look at NSI again.

 

They don't have a different version of regs, they just write their own additional requirements to the regs from what I understand and make them a mandatory code of practice.

 

Not an NSI fan cubit?

Not particularly. For many reasons.

By their open admission, being a badge holder was all about helping sales - not exactly rocket science that it might help but they failed to answer satisfactorily any question about what other benefits, purpose etc etc.

We have seen often enough how toothless they are - in effect, encouraging double standards.

 

As for diffeerent Regs. I am well aware they is only one version. And that is the one to work to.

By giving a badge that covers all scopes even though you may never have fittted that type of system ever (nor intend to) doesn't say much for the quality assurance does it?

Edited June 17, 2013 by Cubit