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7 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said:
Even insurance with no idea specify "Redcare or equivalent"...
They were the market leader years ago and priorities change, there wasn't much they could do with the product the downsides were part of it's design. Agile/Secure mitigated that for years.
Without Redcare Classic they are no longer tied to doing security, to people higher up its probably easier to fold at this point.
I think you underestimate how much encryption you use on a daily basis...
Encryption isn't the issue , it's product, industry has moved on and no one cares
6 hours ago, james.wilson said:i wouldnt want to send anything over IP without encryption.
Al it your password 1234 or P4ssw0rd?
No but we talking alarm signals that no one is interested in ordering trying to intercept much
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29 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:
Original Redcare was an amazing product back in the day, it would work over wet string, had continuous encrypted signalling and 30s polling with no data costs.
So as said boasting it's encryption and continuous monitoring
But they didn't get much bigger in recent years and not many need or want to pay for it
58 minutes ago, james.wilson said:encryption prevents data being in sent in plain so it cant be read or intercepted. If sent in plain you could send the an open or an abort signal etc without it actually coming from the spt
So espionage and spies and the mission impossible bank robber , no one really needs this service , and Hatton gardens didn't push anyone to change much either
These days as long as they have insurance they start to care less
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8 hours ago, james.wilson said:
everything should be encrypted especially in security unless i missed the sarcasm?
No sarcasm, but redcare what is it if not boasting about there encryption over the years constantly monitoring blah
What did it offer ?
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3 hours ago, james.wilson said:
Anyone know of it/them
Signal Dynamic - News - Signal Dynamic Launches Redcare Replacement
Who really needs encryption these days , military? And then they would have there own coms realistically or just use guns
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I assume if enough cores then not enough zones left and don't want to buy an expander ?
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9 hours ago, Foggy321 said:
I've managed a temporary fix with a cheap coupler and covered the ducting with a bigger piece, I've ordered a IP67 one which I'm hoping will fit in the bigger bit of ducting then I has going to jubilee clip either side, it's a bit of a cowboy job but hopefully it will work as the camera is now working. If it fails I was going to try using that haydon splitter from the camera working on the left of the second picture
Outdoor duct cable in the duct ?
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24 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
Also if youre going to covertly advertise tat, its best you dont use the same email address as you website
Lol
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1 hour ago, james.wilson said:
Found this to show the size of the problem. Also shows to me that most people dont value this at all
also a tool on github to see if you have anything on your local network
Most don't care tho
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43 minutes ago, Pi on here said:
I'm thinking the bell box wiring might be where its at because, its confusing, I understand the , 12v and 0v/grd , you can't go wrong there but the bell wire and strobe wire is not clear so I'm thinking, this is where I've gone wrong, does that make sense, I can provide pics but obviously I'll need to get the ladder out, can you instruct me what goes where please,,
thanks Tom
No not really
Because the bell and strobe usually a negative trigger , connected to an output at panel
The tamper will be a tamper terminal , but possibly you have connected it to the wrong terminal or missed a link from a second tamper terminal to zero volts , if the bell has it
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2 hours ago, Pi on here said:
Hi everyone just joined to hopefully get a problem solved, My real name is Tom and I've been a plumber all my working life and during that time fitted a couple of alarm systems to my own homes but, This one has me beat, Its a scantronic 9448 with a SDR-WEXT-00 Bell box and when I powered it up, The tamper light on the key pad is on, So I checked all the tamper loops and they are closed, They are the PIR's, bell box, I've not fitted a tamper to the door sensors, but the light stays on and so the alarm cannot be set, The leds in the bell box are flashing blue and I've posted a vid,
Can someone tell me what I' missed ? thanks in advance
Pictures of bell wiring at the bell and pictures of wiring of the main PCB would be good to look at
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1 hour ago, james.wilson said:
i dont think thats right Al, downloaded of a mobile phone app, then sent to a pc to be stored on usb or dvd etc. No-one does it right unless the maintaniner is asked to download the footage
I guess so, these days they just take the nvr or dvr with them and that's there trail lol
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59 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
This is why to be admissible in court the recordings have to be in original format and watermarked. MP4 is okay for minor crimes where in most cases the crim puts his hands up when he sees the footage because he doesnt know the rules. But if you need evidence that sticks it must be in original format
Althought it doesn't have to be in original format aslong you can prove the audit trail , then no watermark needed either , atleast that what I have seen
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47 minutes ago, james.wilson said:
Whats the thoughts on how this may affect cctv
ie if defence case uses same footage and changes the face to the defence KC etc
I notice a lot of diy type cameras only ave footage in mp4 format not in a native secure format.
This occurs already tho right ? don't you watch movies?
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5 minutes ago, Alarmed-To-Be-Here said:
Many thanks to all the people providing advice. I have managed to clear all the faults and have exited engineer mode successfully. The issue was with the outside bell wired connection to the board and I had connected to the terminal next to the correct terminal in error - my eye sight isn't what it used to be unfortunately. I then took the advice from al-yeti and used option 21 to set the zone configuration to (CC+Com A/T) from the previous setting (FSL 2K2/4K7).
Good job
Fsl will be better if and when you got time to do in future
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5 hours ago, jmeader43 said:
Does anyone know how to test one of these? It’s brand new with a working SIM card from a previously same model but the SIM card holder was broken
I’ve powered it up and it’s got mobile signal with a slow flashing red led and I’ve connected a 12V pc case fan into the following for testing the relay:
COM: Black negative wire to fan
NC: Red positive wire to fan
This was my thinking to prove that it can work with the existing magnetic gate
I have the instructions which I will attach on here. It just doesn’t seem to respond to a request to turn the relay on so I think I need fo add my number as the authorised number or make it respond to any number using the relevant commands below
Turn relay on
1234#ON#
Set authorised number (this is the one from the manual and looks like an extra digit in error?)
1234#TEL0044 13500001111#01
Setup allow all call in numbers to access it
1234#AA#Depending on what power you need for the fan to work , connect the fan black ground to negative / ground -ve of the power supply
And connect the fan positive to NO or NC depending on which way you want it to work,
And then common to the power supply positive +ve
So that would.operwte the fan when the relay is triggered, if it's. Magnetic gate then that power arrangement would probably be setup via the NC route , or you won't use any power if there is an existing push button which you can wire across it without any power arrangements
Or you will be probably blow it all up if your not understanding it correctly
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7 hours ago, dan123456 said:
Thanks for your reply, Not 100% sure. I will find out.
Would that cause both the "Z002 Superv fail" and the "Radio SRN 01" errors or just the "Radio SRN01"?
Could be jamming as JW says
Cha be the battery in zone 2
And did he take a ladder up to the bell or he just bell tested the ring?
Anything new installed, wireless doorbell heating controls with batteries?
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2 minutes ago, SalopMan said:
If I were to replace it, what would be a good box to get ?
I was going to say is there a comfort light setting, but bell is wired right?
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6 hours ago, dan123456 said:
I have an Eaton I-on compact alarm system. Had it three years and no problems until recently when I had the batteries replaced.
within the last few weeks the alarm has gone off 3 times - all in the small hours of the morning (2AM ish), twice when the alarm was not set with me at home and another time when I was away for the weekend and it was set.
I have had "Call Installer Z002 Superv Fail" when the alarm was not set and "Call Installer Radio SRN 01" when the alarm was set.
The installer came back to me after the first "Z002 Superv Fail". Said the readings from the Z002 Sensor were low at 3 (the other sensors were showing 9).
I am going to get the installer back to have a look, but my question is if anyone knows the answer - Is there a setting that you can select so when there is a Supervisor fail the main alarm does not trigger, especially when the alarm is not set?
He definitely replaced the batteries in the external bell? Or thought they will be ok
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14 minutes ago, james.wilson said:
Looks like there are 2 tamper terminals. I'd assume a link from 0v to the other tamper connection?
Yes can you invert the strobe in the panel or sounder?
Ah man that was my next move , I assumed he missed that hence wanted the pics
Your just to fast
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2 hours ago, Ed-B said:
Hi All, Many thanks for all of your replies. I think you are right. The old system has been in place for a long time and, like me, is getting a little long in the tooth. I'll do some more research and move to a new system, probably the Ring system as which magazine rates this one very highly in the UK. Once again, many thanks for all of your help, all the best, Ed
To be fair as diy , your looking at diy so hence went for ring ,
Otherwise as others say....
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9 hours ago, SalopMan said:
The siren box is an Eaton SDR-WEXT-00 (also made by Scantronic I suspect). This was supposed to be in the heading to this topic but I missed it off somehow.
There's only one anti-tamper switch on the siren box which seems to trigger if either the lid is opened or the box is prised off the wall.
I've actually got it all to a state where it nearly works OK. I, surprisingly, got a response to an enquiry to Scantronic's support team. They confirmed that BLA is the Bell Trigger and BLF is the Strobe Trigger (as you said before). They also gave me a list of the meanings of the little red LED which, for the benfefit of anyone looking at this in the future, are :
LED Flashes Every 7 Seconds :
One Sounder all OK
Two Low/loss of 12v
Three Standby battery low
Four Siren run time exceededThe problems that remain are that
1) I can only get it to operate if I link TR to 0V on the control box (which presumably negates the anti-tamper connection to the siren box) and
2) The four blue LED's strobe all the time except for when an alarm is triggered, when the two middle ones go out and the outer ones flash brighter and simultaneously.
Am I right in assuming that the the four blue LED's should only be on during or after an alarm condition ?
Can we see picture of siren connections and bell , and proper pictures please David Bailey stylee , if you remember him lol
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3 hours ago, MrHappy said:
I work for lots of electrical contractors, I'd assume you'd have you own contacts
Depending on what you've got & how's it fitted-
CP-20, PE64-W or Euro 46 + Radio Zem
I can probably change the controls in 1-2 hour, 15 mins a device & 30 mins for a sounder
Nobody is producing consumer equipment, its all quirky...
Ion is not bad for diy if you already know the scanny menus generally
You quote the orisec? And texe? Both more difficult and the euro with zem complicated for diy ? What you saying blood?
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2 hours ago, Alarmocos said:
Hi,
What is the most reliable, commonly installed hybrid panel (approx 8 wired and 6 wireless zones) that has smart control via a phone app?
I’m replacing a 9751, with a new panel and delta bell and would appreciate panel recommendations. The alarm should notify via the app when it goes off and can be reset or armed and disarmed via the phone.
What is the most recommended panel currently?
Diy , one way scantronic ion range with free app base
Everything else will be junk or need installer or tech support
Unless someone else remembers anything else
Otherwise going to the depths of diy ring?
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53 minutes ago, Alarmocos said:
Hi,
What is the most reliable, commonly installed hybrid panel (approx 8 wired and 6 wireless zones) that has smart control via a phone app?
I’m replacing a 9751, with a new panel and delta bell and would appreciate panel recommendations. The alarm should notify via the app when it goes off and can be reset or armed and disarmed via the phone.
What is the most recommended panel currently?
Diy?
Signal Dynamic
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Cool dude , but I do also agree with what your saying , after all , you guys got much more experience than me in this industry
Ask for a free connection to try it ? For your premises