al-yeti Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Whiteside46 said: thanks everyone for your help. found the manual online. I’m guessing The Control panel Tamper connection (TR) goes to T on the bell. in terms of the 0v for the second T on the bell, should I take that from the panel, or loop it from the 0v in the bell supply? Loop at bell I assume bell is old , these Normally come with manual Just now, al-yeti said: Loop at bell I assume bell is old , these Normally come with manual Yes about tamper Now have you done it yet????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteside46 Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, al-yeti said: Loop at bell I assume bell is old , these Normally come with manual Yes about tamper Now have you done it yet????? Bell is brand new from Alert Electrical. Will do tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteside46 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 So I finally got round to switching this over. However There’s something not quite going right. so it’s all wired up as the drawing, I think. The leds as flashing. The strobe is working when it’s in alarm. When I remove the cover, the tamper switch activates, setting the sounder and the strobe off. The only problem is that when my whole system is in alarm, the strobe is flashing, but the sounder is not on. I’ve measured at the control board, when the system is passive, and also when in alarm, and I am getting 12v between the control panel 0v terminal and the Bell connection in the panel during both scenarios. But the sounder is not on. is it something to do with the negative/positive polarity jumpers? I’ve added a picture of my current settings. Just now, Whiteside46 said: So I finally got round to switching this over. However There’s something not quite going right. so it’s all wired up as the drawing, I think. The leds as flashing. The strobe is working when it’s in alarm. When I remove the cover, the tamper switch activates, setting the sounder and the strobe off. The only problem is that when my whole system is in alarm, the strobe is flashing, but the sounder is not on. I’ve measured at the control board, when the system is passive, and also when in alarm, and I am getting 12v between the control panel 0v terminal and the Bell connection in the panel during both scenarios. But the sounder is not on. is it something to do with the negative/positive polarity jumpers? I’ve added a picture of my current settings. I’m aware the sounder is unplugged in the picture. The tamper alarm was going off when I removed the cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Some panel delay? Force a -ve trigger from the panel to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteside46 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said: Some panel delay? Force a -ve trigger from the panel to prove. I removed the bell connection at the panel, a touched it to 0v. Bell sounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, Whiteside46 said: I removed the bell connection at the panel, a touched it to 0v. Bell sounded. So then if panel isn't faulty you may have changed the polarity by mistake Make sure it's neg and do a panel restart before testing it again And of course as above did you change bell delay .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteside46 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, al-yeti said: So then if panel isn't faulty you may have changed the polarity by mistake Make sure it's neg and do a panel restart before testing it again And of course as above did you change bell delay .... What do you mean by changed polarity by mistake? Strobe works. Bell works on tamper. Just not the command for the bell from the panel. how would I go about a panel reset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 56 minutes ago, Whiteside46 said: What do you mean by changed polarity by mistake? Strobe works. Bell works on tamper. Just not the command for the bell from the panel. how would I go about a panel reset? I didn't say panel reset ? What's bell tamper got to do with bell trigger? Other than than that look through menus and manual you will see both options on what you can and cannot change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteside46 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, al-yeti said: I didn't say panel reset ? What's bell tamper got to do with bell trigger? Other than than that look through menus and manual you will see both options on what you can and cannot change Apologies, I read it as reset, you said tray a panel restart. What does that mean? the tamper on the bell box works, when I open it the strobe and sounder go off. when I set the alarm and open a door or window, the strobe goes off, but the sounder does not. When the alarm is not set, the bell signal at the panel and the bell box is 12v. when the alarm has been set and tripped, in alarm mode, when the strobe is going off and the sounder should be, the bell signal at the panel and the bell box is 12v. the Bell delay is set as Off. what other sort of settings should I be looking out for? I have attached a picture of the old Ventcroft bell box wired up as it was before I removed it. I had disconnected the sounder in the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 If your getting 12v on your meter between bell trig and 0v the panel isn't driving the bell. Touching the bell trig to 0v in the panel proves this. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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