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Keypad and pir upgrade for scantronic 9651

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1 minute ago, Logan said:

When you open the the panel disconnect what i put a red arrow pointing at

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NO!!!!  diss the mains at the spur before opening the panel 

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6 minutes ago, PeterJames said:

NO!!!!  diss the mains at the spur before opening the panel 

Yeah or the panel/lid  tamper kicks in

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Just now, Andy cb said:

Yeah or the panel tamper kicks in

No the tamper has nothing to do with it, mains electricity is dangerous 

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2 minutes ago, PeterJames said:

No the tamper has nothing to do with it, mains electricity is dangerous 

With this panel you need to open the panel with mains to connect a usb cable to it. (Ion 30exd)

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31 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

500 just to come take a look

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Just now, Logan said:

Well yes. However i am a competent engineer so i know what to touch and what not to touch. Still the best idea to pull the fuse out the FCU

Are you? I would always recommend that the mains is isolated before the panel is opened as I would expect any competent engineer to recommend there are live terminals on the transformer and the psu  

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15 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Considering the mix up just with just your speaker, I would think twice about DIY.

Unless your willing to take the risk of many hours/weeks learning on the job and no guarantee of a working alarm at the end of it.

 

Words of caution if you do DIY:-

External bell strobe unit has very high voltage, this and having to disconnect a sounding box on the wall up a ladder is not the most pleasant experience when you have no idea what you are doing. Be careful.

Obviously the control box has mains voltage in best to isolate if your not good with electrics.

Thanks sixwheeledbeast but having just rewired most of my house and had it NIC inspected with no problems I am happy to take this my speaker issue earlier was from on my looking at the product from a picture and being of the belief that I had and internal sounder as well as an external one having followers yours and others advice that part of the system has been reinstated and working great

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2 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

Thanks sixwheeledbeast but having just rewired most of my house and had it NIC inspected with no problems I am happy to take this my speaker issue earlier was from on my looking at the product from a picture and being of the belief that I had and internal sounder as well as an external one having followers yours and others advice that part of the system has been reinstated and working great

 Take the back off the keypad and check if any wires got pulled out. 

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2 minutes ago, Logan said:

Yes nido but with this panel you need to remove the cover with mains connected to connect a usb lead to it when programming it

Hold on isn’t lead to program it??

 

the installation manual has a whole list of commands to enter for programming on the keypad no mention of usb lead

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1 minute ago, Logan said:

Yes nido but with this panel you need to remove the cover with mains connected to connect a usb lead to it when programming it

But this guy is not an engineer, he is a diyer you should not be advising someone who is not familiar with the product to start meddling inside a live panel!! its bloody dangerous. At college you would be advised never to open a panel without isolating the mains first. I know that engineers do but they do it under their own risk. 

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4 minutes ago, Logan said:

Yes nido but with this panel you need to remove the cover with mains connected to connect a usb lead to it when programming it

 

Wrong on so many levels

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2 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

Hold on isn’t lead to program it??

 

the installation manual has a whole list of commands to enter for programming on the keypad no mention of usb lead

Theres no usb lead either

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Just now, Logan said:

 Take the back off the keypad and check if any wires got pulled out. 

I’ve looked at that and all appear to be in place as they were

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Just now, Andy cb said:

Hold on isn’t lead to program it??

 

the installation manual has a whole list of commands to enter for programming on the keypad no mention of usb lead

The panel pictured is a ion 30exd.  Not a 9651.  

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5 minutes ago, Logan said:

The panel pictured is a ion 30exd.  Not a 9651.  

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So the pic with the battery looks very similar to my system keypad is nothing like what I have or what I’m looking to fit

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1 minute ago, Andy cb said:

So the pic with the battery looks very similar to my system keypad is nothing like what I have or what I’m looking to fit

The layout of panel is the same as the 9651 just a different circuit board  just trying to show you where to disconnect the battery 

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1 minute ago, Logan said:

The layout of panel is the same as the 9651 just a different circuit board  just trying to show you where to disconnect the battery 

That’s fine can I not take off the red and black connections on the battery itself it needs changing anyway 

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9 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

That’s fine can I not take off the red and black connections on the battery itself it needs changing anyway 

If you remove the lid the system might give a tamper  (cant silence as keypad doesn't work)  also it needs to be disconnected when doing any wiring to the system.  

 

Yes you can disconnect the leads from the battery. Its just quicker  to unplug it from the panel  PCB

 

What PIRs do you have take a picture of one 

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2 minutes ago, Logan said:

If you remove the lid the system might give a tamper  (cant silence as keypad doesn't work)  also it needs to be disconnected when doing any wiring to the system 

Hold on I’m getting confused 

 

your telling me to disconnect battery and fused in the box after pulling main fuse but now you telling me can’t remove lid I case of tamper and busted keypad

 

so how am I ment to power down and reset without opening the lid and without a working keypad??

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6 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

Hold on I’m getting confused 

 

your telling me to disconnect battery and fused in the box after pulling main fuse but now you telling me can’t remove lid I case of tamper and busted keypad

 

so how am I ment to power down and reset without opening the lid and without a working 

 

1. Pull the fuse out the fused spur. Should near the panel NOT the one inside the panel (take a picture of the main panel if you can't find it)

2. Disconnect external sounder (it will go off when you remove the cover)

3. Remove panel lid

4. Disconnect the battery. You can unplug it from the circuit board or directly from the battery  (your choice)

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My plan is to pull main fuse this I understand cuts the high voltage then disconnect external battery back up then open lid and pull fuses and battery back up

 

then default reset 

 

power down and wire in new keypad

check system working and power down again and swap out pir’s 

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7 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

My plan is to pull main fuse this I understand cuts the high voltage then disconnect external battery back up then open lid and pull fuses and battery back up

 

then default reset 

 

power down and wire in new keypad

check system working and power down again and swap out pir’s 

Yes.    

 

 

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