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Keypad and pir upgrade for scantronic 9651

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2 minutes ago, Logan said:

Yes nido but with this panel you need to remove the cover with mains connected to connect a usb lead to it when programming it

Hold on isn’t lead to program it??

 

the installation manual has a whole list of commands to enter for programming on the keypad no mention of usb lead

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1 minute ago, Logan said:

Yes nido but with this panel you need to remove the cover with mains connected to connect a usb lead to it when programming it

But this guy is not an engineer, he is a diyer you should not be advising someone who is not familiar with the product to start meddling inside a live panel!! its bloody dangerous. At college you would be advised never to open a panel without isolating the mains first. I know that engineers do but they do it under their own risk. 

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4 minutes ago, Logan said:

Yes nido but with this panel you need to remove the cover with mains connected to connect a usb lead to it when programming it

 

Wrong on so many levels

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2 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

Hold on isn’t lead to program it??

 

the installation manual has a whole list of commands to enter for programming on the keypad no mention of usb lead

Theres no usb lead either

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Just now, Logan said:

 Take the back off the keypad and check if any wires got pulled out. 

I’ve looked at that and all appear to be in place as they were

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5 minutes ago, Logan said:

The panel pictured is a ion 30exd.  Not a 9651.  

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So the pic with the battery looks very similar to my system keypad is nothing like what I have or what I’m looking to fit

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1 minute ago, Logan said:

The layout of panel is the same as the 9651 just a different circuit board  just trying to show you where to disconnect the battery 

That’s fine can I not take off the red and black connections on the battery itself it needs changing anyway 

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2 minutes ago, Logan said:

If you remove the lid the system might give a tamper  (cant silence as keypad doesn't work)  also it needs to be disconnected when doing any wiring to the system 

Hold on I’m getting confused 

 

your telling me to disconnect battery and fused in the box after pulling main fuse but now you telling me can’t remove lid I case of tamper and busted keypad

 

so how am I ment to power down and reset without opening the lid and without a working keypad??

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My plan is to pull main fuse this I understand cuts the high voltage then disconnect external battery back up then open lid and pull fuses and battery back up

 

then default reset 

 

power down and wire in new keypad

check system working and power down again and swap out pir’s 

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15 minutes ago, Logan said:

What PIRs do you plan to install. I reccomend pyronix pet PIRs HOWEVER  pet PIRs are NOT fool proof. You can still get false alarms from something such as a cat jumps on a table

 

If you have pets i recommend using perimeter protection 

 

The system already has optex rx 40 just swapping to the same but pet tolerant as I now have a small cat

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It’s something I’m thinking of but reality is there is someone in the house almost all the day it’s more to keep insurance happy and a bit more piece of mind I live in a safe area as safe as can be 

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If I added perimeter sensors I’d have to look into expanders and things and the new sensors would have to be wireless as I’ve just finished refurbish and decorating the house

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2 minutes ago, Logan said:

At least you don't have a master blaster in the loft and a quad bellbox outside. You can hear it go off from over a mile away 

Opps

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7 minutes ago, Logan said:

I learned about the master blaster as i tested the system not knowing there was a master blaster when i moved in and i couldnt hear anything for the rest of the day. It also shredded a towel that was in the loft 

Losing hearing not good but shredding towel sounds cool

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FFS, it’s like bind leading the feckin blind in here these days.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, whistle said:

FFS, it’s like bind leading the feckin blind in here these days.

 

 

Your point being whistle all genuine non confusing advice welcome ed

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The new Eaton 9943 keypad is fully backward compatible with all of the 9651 panels.

buy the panel as a kit with a keypad as it’s within a few ££ of buying the keypad on its own.

2 minutes ago, Logan said:

It's 12:20 am and i need some sleep as at 8:30. I having to fix a you guessed it 

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for a split second I thought that was Vesda, ha ha turns out its a fishing rod.

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If I added perimeter sensors I’d have to look into expanders and things and the new sensors would have to be wireless as I’ve just finished refurbish and decorating the house

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18 hours ago, Andy cb said:

it’s more to keep insurance happy

 

Ah. In that case, it would be best to tell your insurer you have no alarm at all.

 

you to insurer 'we've been burgled'

insurer to you 'no problem sir, I'm guessing the alarm was set?'

you 'er, yes, expect so'

insurer 'no problem sir, we will get the logs inspected, and could you have the installation and latest service documents to hand'

you 'i maintain it myself'

insurer 'yay! no payout sir, not covered, check your t+cs, trebles all round lads!'

 

You rarely get ANY meaningful discount for a bells only alarm, they usually just ask the question as a get-out-of-jail-free card hoping it isn't properly maintained.

 

If you didn't tell them you had an alarm, they can't ask if it was set, and cannot deny your claim.

Edited by datadiffusion

So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands

 

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57 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:

 

Ah. In that case, it would be best to tell your insurer you have no alarm at all.

 

you to insurer 'we've been burgled'

insurer to you 'no problem sir, I'm guessing the alarm was set?'

you 'er, yes, expect so'

insurer 'no problem sir, we will get the logs inspected, and could you have the installation and latest service documents to hand'

you 'i maintain it myself'

insurer 'yay! no payout sir, not covered, check your t+cs, trebles all round lads!'

 

You rarely get ANY meaningful discount for a bells only alarm, they usually just ask the question as a get-out-of-jail-free card hoping it isn't properly maintained.

 

If you didn't tell them you had an alarm, they can't ask if it was set, and cannot deny your claim.

They should really change the name

 

"Insurance discount approved"

 

 

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19 hours ago, Andy cb said:

 it’s more to keep insurance happy and a bit more piece of mind I live in a safe area as safe as can be 

Double blag

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5 minutes ago, Andy cb said:

What do you mean by that  al-yeti

One for insurance and one for piece of mind 

 

Meaning fixing yourself cannot give you piece of mind and insurers will never be happy , no offence 

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