jonkem Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Hi everyone, I've searched and searched for some info and you are my last hope! I'm not an installer but was roped in to replacing an alarm system for a friend after he was burgled and it hadn't activated, no surprise once I started removing it but that's not why I'm asking for help. I have successfully wired several systems previously but strictly on a non commercial or professional basis. I have installed a Honeywell Accenta G4 8 way panel, LCD RKP, 7 Pyronix dual tech PIRs, 2 x Deltabell Plus sounders, internal sounder & GSm Dialer all hardwired and all performing perfectly. I now have to add 3 x wireless Pyronix PIRs via a Pyronix UR2-WE expander on the last remaining spare zone. Can't hardwire these zones as there is no way through otherwise i'd daisy chain 3 onto 1 zone. So the problem I have is either with the Pyronix UR2 installation instructions or with my brain! I've looked at the comic strip style manual for days now and still it makes no sense to me. 12+ & 0v are fine but it shows at least 6 other connections into the control panel from the UR2, arm, disarm, output a & b, fault output wiring, Can anyone tell me in simple terms which terminals in the G4 these should be connected into and why the manual is giving options for N/O & N/C on output & fault wiring? It's no bother to run another 2 cores between the panel & UR2 if I need all 8. I need to get this thing complete so I can move on to his CCTV system with 7 cameras!!! Many thanks Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Pyronix wireless expander will only work with a pyronix panel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 But that unit is not a universal expander for the accents in the way you want to do How will it make your 8zone panel into more? You may just get a couple of other Functions from it 1 minute ago, PeterJames said: Pyronix wireless expander will only work with a pyronix panel I thought you could use it as a remote arm and disarm feature as an add on to non pyronix because the panel learns that function and has outputs to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, jonkem said: Hi everyone, I've searched and searched for some info and you are my last hope! I'm not an installer but was roped in to replacing an alarm system for a friend after he was burgled and it hadn't activated, no surprise once I started removing it but that's not why I'm asking for help. I have successfully wired several systems previously but strictly on a non commercial or professional basis. I have installed a Honeywell Accenta G4 8 way panel, LCD RKP, 7 Pyronix dual tech PIRs, 2 x Deltabell Plus sounders, internal sounder & GSm Dialer all hardwired and all performing perfectly. I now have to add 3 x wireless Pyronix PIRs via a Pyronix UR2-WE expander on the last remaining spare zone. Can't hardwire these zones as there is no way through otherwise i'd daisy chain 3 onto 1 zone. So the problem I have is either with the Pyronix UR2 installation instructions or with my brain! I've looked at the comic strip style manual for days now and still it makes no sense to me. 12+ & 0v are fine but it shows at least 6 other connections into the control panel from the UR2, arm, disarm, output a & b, fault output wiring, Can anyone tell me in simple terms which terminals in the G4 these should be connected into and why the manual is giving options for N/O & N/C on output & fault wiring? It's no bother to run another 2 cores between the panel & UR2 if I need all 8. I need to get this thing complete so I can move on to his CCTV system with 7 cameras!!! Many thanks Jon Either way cost of any unviersal device and the hassle to go with it , you should have upgraded the panel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, al-yeti said: But that unit is not a universal expander for the accents in the way you want to do How will it make your 8zone panel into more? You may just get a couple of other Functions from it I thought you could use it as a remote arm and disarm feature as an add on to non pyronix because the panel learns that function and has outputs to do it? I meant as a zone expander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonkem Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 Pyronix state that it will connect to all makes of wired control panels with arm & disarm output. The UR2 is hardwired into the last available zone on the panel and then you can add up to 10 wireless devices plus fobs if you want to. Of course they'll be seen as 1 zone by the panel but the UR2 sees them as individual ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, jonkem said: Pyronix state that it will connect to all makes of wired control panels with arm & disarm output. The UR2 is hardwired into the last available zone on the panel and then you can add up to 10 wireless devices plus fobs if you want to. Of course they'll be seen as 1 zone by the panel but the UR2 sees them as individual ones. So you need to programme it to activate all zone devices to toggle one output , and that activates the zone Then I think arm disarm go to keyswitch if the pa el has it independent , if it does your zone maybe programmable to take that which means you lose the zones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simlec Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) Connect output A on the UR2 (Com & N/C) to your last zone. Then you need to connect your pos or neg to the Arm/Disarm ( C terminal and set your dip switch to the same) from your panel to tell the UR2 you have set your panel. This will bring the detectors out of sleep sort of mode and then you should get a output on the output A when devices are triggered. Wire the output B (sorry fault output) with your global tamper to report tampers from your wireless devices. Edited July 9, 2017 by Simlec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonkem Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 Thank you Simlec, that's brilliant! I probably confused matters by calling the UR2 an expander rather than a receiver but that's what I'm using it for. Just to clarify the arm/disarm please, because I've assumed that I can use J3 output terminals from the G4 and is now the only issue after your clear instructions. Do I need to connect a pos & neg to the arm & disarm terminals, And then set the jumper to suit the polarity I've chosen? And these inputs to the UR2 only become connected when the panel is armed? If the above are correct assumptions, any idea which terminals in the G4 will supply these? It looks like the outputs at J3 are only active upon incident rather than just system set. There is a SET output at J6 that becomes positive on system set. And then can I assume I can run the neg to UR2 terminal C from the supply terminal in UR2. I'd then switch to pos arming. Clear as mud I know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simlec Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Ok looking at the G4 manual Yes connect your (J3 coms) SET terminal to the UR2 ARM terminal & the 0v to 0v Then set your DIP switch to 0v ARM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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