andy™ Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, Wburke said: I hope the money comments are not aimed at me. I have a safe fitted, along with CCTV covering every inch of my property so I do not know where the money comments have come from. I am in a position now to get a decent alarm, when I fitted the one from B&Q it was just after I had bought a house and a year before my wedding so money was very tight. I live in a relatively low crime area but do value my property and positions so want something good that will last. Any actual advice about decent alarms would be appreciated. we see stuff like that often I often get called to jobs where the electrics are neglected to the point of being dangerous and never been altered since installed in the 50/60's etc, but they dont want to spend any money on fixing anything. yet they will happily spend thousands on a new kitchen or bathroom ref the safe, if its a cheap one with a digital lock, you can usually open them without the code in a few seconds and leave no evidence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, Wburke said: Good to hear, all the emails that were coming through made it seem like they were aimed at me. I know I am not in the know in this area but living with my mum during a time where she had repeated break-ins has made me very security conscious so want to get it sorted. Stick around here a bit longer and you will be assimilated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 1 minute ago, al-yeti said: and you will be assimilated sound kinky... 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, andy™ said: ref the safe, if its a cheap one with a digital lock, you can usually open them without the code in a few seconds and leave no evidence... Slightly less time if you don't care who sees... And unfortunately CCTV is not often very useful, was it professionally fitted? Even if the resolution is good enough, often the angles are wrong with DIY and all that will happen is that you'll come home hours after the event to see pictures of hooded men entering the house and leaving with the TV you can see with your own eyes is missing. I have a funny feeling though that I might be giving out advice that is not what is wanted to be heard... Edited January 3, 2017 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Cctv is useless 90% of the time ime. 1 Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, norman said: Cctv is useless 90% of the time ime. Agreed, also not helped by the fact much of that 90% is poorly installed or not FFP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 My moneys on SWANN Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 10 hours ago, norman said: Cctv is useless 90% of the time ime. I must have been lucky with mine then, three times Ive caught people who have "accidentally" damaged my car but not said anything. I caught the kids that tried to break into my shop, and I identified the kids that went around my village stealing from cars, because they came onto my driveway. The only thing I can say is in all those occasions the people committing the crimes had not planned the crime to begin with. I would say its lower than 90% overall but yes CCTV is quite easy to overcome if planned. Oh and those cheap safes are worth leaving around in plain sight with nothing in, twice now I have heard of customers who have had break ins and all they took was the safe that was empty. It would seem that once the burglar has found what he thinks is your valuables he gets out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 hours ago, PeterJames said: I must have been lucky three times Ive caught people who have "accidentally" damaged my car but not said anything. I caught the kids that tried to break into my shop I identified the kids that went around my village stealing from cars, because they came onto my driveway. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 48 minutes ago, norman said: ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I think the salient point is that we assume the systems were decent i.e high resolution, and properly installed! Also in the village situation it's more likely you'll recognise people, I suppose. Depends how isolated you are. This is probably the biggest difference between PJ CCTV and DIY CCTV... Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: I think the salient point is that we assume the systems were decent i.e high resolution, and properly installed! Also in the village situation it's more likely you'll recognise people, I suppose. Depends how isolated you are. This is probably the biggest difference between PJ CCTV and DIY CCTV... I didnt know him but the Police did. That time I had Mega-Pixel cams all the other times they were analogue, but the cameras were positioned correctly. Aimed at getting faces and not tops of heads like many systems I have seen. I forgot to add the cameras on the shop also got two really good images of a couple of burglars that broke into a house up the end of the road. In fact we captured the whole thing only the house was too far away to get the number plates of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Yup, as well as poor resolution, the 'tops of heads' mounting position must be the number one DIY pitfall. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 That and the fact they don't see through hoodies... Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 37 minutes ago, norman said: That and the fact they don't see through hoodies... Bit of a moot point though when you usually wouldn't be able to use the images for ID even if they weren't wearing them! 1 Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 44 minutes ago, norman said: That and the fact they don't see through hoodies... Sometimes its the way a person walks, moves around that people can id from. The kids that smashed my window came back a few days later and pulled a cable from one of the cameras, this time they were wearing hoodies on but they were wearing all the same clothes they were wearing the day they smashed the window. So we already had the ID pictures you could tell it was them without doubt. In a court of law you could that it was someone pretending to be them but I cant see any jury falling for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Well, apart from vandalism being unlikely to reach a court with a jury? 1 Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 22 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: Well, apart from vandalism being unlikely to reach a court with a jury? okay then a judge falling for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) West Yorkshire Police slotted an asian drug peddler the other day- & [imh]http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/88b85867297c852cf0e047c8970b7fda[/img] oftend CCTV on houses points to the problem.. Edited January 4, 2017 by MrHappy Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, MrHappy said: West Yorkshire Police slotted an asian drug peddler the other day- & [imh]http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/88b85867297c852cf0e047c8970b7fda[/img] oftend CCTV on houses points to the problem.. The only sad thing about this is they didn't waste the other losers in the cars with him, oh! and they wasted 3 bullets when one would have done... Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 well at least the the petrol station will make a few quid on the flowers for to be laid at the scene... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, norman said: The only sad thing about this is they didn't waste the other losers in the cars with him, oh! and they wasted 3 bullets when one would have done... Even if one of em was yours ? 1 minute ago, MrHappy said: well at least the the petrol station will make a few quid on the flowers for to be laid at the scene... Sign of death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, al-yeti said: Even if one of em was yours ? They never would be one of mine, I have brought my 2 up to know right from wrong, the other scroates with him were lucky members of the "Bradford Massiv" but we'll see when the full story comes out. 1 hour ago, PeterJames said: Sometimes its the way a person walks, moves around that people can id from. . I agree but not legally and certainly nothing that would be used in court. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, norman said: They never would be one of mine, I have brought my 2 up to know right from wrong, the other scroates with him were lucky members of the "Bradford Massiv" but we'll see when the full story comes out. I agree but not legally and certainly nothing that would be used in court. Ive known numpties to put their hands up, to stuff not knowing it cant be used against them, more so now there is less legal aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 They all say that , would never be mine Although this dude's lot never said he's innocent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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