BUSTER Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 With all the talk of security vulnerabilities recently and the suggestion of a vlan giving better security I have a few questions 1. How difficult are they to set up 2. Can things on different vlans see each other ie if I have a nvr on one vlan, ip phone system on another and pc,s on another can the pc log onto the nvr etc or does that defeat the object Any help/advice gratefully received Any comments / opinions posted are my opinion only and do not represent those of my employer or Company Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It all depends on how competent you are at that stuff really. You will find it's only available on top end enterprise routers, if your using a router to do it. The whole point of a VLAN (Virtual LAN) is to isolate the LAN into sections, so yes that wouldn't work on the LAN side. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrolhead Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 You can do a basic vlan via a managed switch, tplink smart switch is quite easy to setup, the connection between them however is a bit more involved. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergibbons Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The point of a VLAN is to make it like there are physically separate networks running. You then use the routing/firewall to allow certain traffic between the two. They add a lot of security if you set the firewall up correctly, and make a lot of attacks a lot harder. You can make it so that a PC on the general VLAN can access a DVR on the the security VLAN. But the DVR wouldn't be able to access the rest of the network, so damage would be limited. Even if you allow all traffic between two VLANS, it makes an attackers life harder as a number of attacks assume the DVR is on the same local network segment. I have a blog, some of which is about alarm security and reverse engineering:http://cybergibbons.com/ Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Newer models of routers have guest networks on the wifi, mine doesnt allow me to see my servers when I log into the guest wifi so I guess this is a easy way of setting up a vlan or am I wrong Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergibbons Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Newer models of routers have guest networks on the wifi, mine doesnt allow me to see my servers when I log into the guest wifi so I guess this is a easy way of setting up a vlan or am I wrong Technically, it's not a VLAN, but essentially it is the same idea. It's another network that is firewalled off. Normally that functionality lets the trusted network access the guest network, so putting security devices on there could be wise. Good idea. I have a blog, some of which is about alarm security and reverse engineering:http://cybergibbons.com/ Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Technically, it's not a VLAN, but essentially it is the same idea. It's another network that is firewalled off. Normally that functionality lets the trusted network access the guest network, so putting security devices on there could be wise. Good idea. I have an idea it may be wifi only and not restricted on the lan, ill take a look and let people know Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I was right wireless only I could put a wireless network card on my dvr and connect it to the guest network I suppose Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Pretty sure my new Vigor vdsl router has this, very much seems the way forward... So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I have a couple of routers that do this, both have dual band and a guest network. Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39449-v-lan/#findComment-436377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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