peppy Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 can anybody remember the franklin panel green one with a bakerlite opaque display with 2 bulbs beneath it? it used to buzz if a cct was open or if the ccts were clear set by shunt switch. remember pulling one out following break in,smashed up like hell, choppped all wires, as i had sold a brand new scantronic 9100. only unfortunate thing the installer had run the 240 supply in 4 core alarm cable needless to say my cutters ended up the other side of the room. they had used red as live, black as neutral and twisted blue and yellow as earth my 1st bite from mains AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE I never touched a franklin or anything that company installed without a mains tester close to hand Martin Quote oops does that go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Excluding ones I made, the first commercial one was mail order from Bon Automation in Bognor Regis, a single position key switch with indicator lamp, 12v battery operated (brick type with polorised plug), in a gun metal finished cabinet, cica 1974 Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 don't let us forget Heathkit regs alan Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Oh memories. Do any of you remember the Mumferd and White 5152 big white box keyswitch jobby and if you wanted to expand the system the boxes where the same size as the panel huge white boxes running up the wall. The best thing was a lot of the jobs that had them use to keep the key on a chain at the side of the panel There was also the Cpb2s and 4s all great fun them was the days. I was at a job the other day and found this little beuty in a cupboard all powerd down sorry about the poor quality pic. Regards Garry. Quote You can lead a horse to water but you carnt climb a ladder with a bell in both hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Oh memories.Do any of you remember the Mumferd and White 5152 big white box keyswitch jobby and if you wanted to expand the system the boxes where the same size as the panel huge white boxes running up the wall. The best thing was a lot of the jobs that had them use to keep the key on a chain at the side of the panel There was also the Cpb2s and 4s all great fun them was the days. I was at a job the other day and found this little beuty in a cupboard all powerd down sorry about the poor quality pic. Regards Garry. Yep i did a take over on one of these, its amazing how much space there was, put the new panel in there! Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian c Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Ah, a Telecom....was it the 680? Bellman will know. Fire, PA and ambulance keys under a plastic flap on the keypad. Had some fun with those Quote If you don't know......ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallbloke Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Right, here goes. One of oldest panels I worked on when I started with Moderns in 1986 was a Brocks Analyzer. It had EOL batteries in the form of flag cells with 6v lantern batts to power the panel. They sometimes had a reel to reel tape player attached, a 999 unit which had to be rewound by hand to reset. Until someone told me about a link between two terminals which would rewind it under it's own power. If the EOLs went down and you'd run out of flag cells, you could put a 6v on the end to get you out of trouble. For about 10 minutes when it would FA as you were driving away. The oldest had to be the S type 1. A keyswitch and toggle switch on a block with the panel containing batts mounted higher up the wall. Lacking a buzzer, this beauty would ring both internal and external bells on setting and unsetting. I'll bet the neighbours were impressed. I remember a 74 panel connected to a boxed turntable that had to be reset by pressing a button on the deck and cueing up the record. The start of my DJing career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Right, here goes. One of oldest panels I worked on when I started with Moderns in 1986 was a Brocks Analyzer. It had EOL batteries in the form of flag cells with 6v lantern batts to power the panel. They sometimes had a reel to reel tape player attached, a 999 unit which had to be rewound by hand to reset. Until someone told me about a link between two terminals which would rewind it under it's own power. If the EOLs went down and you'd run out of flag cells, you could put a 6v on the end to get you out of trouble. For about 10 minutes when it would FA as you were driving away. The oldest had to be the S type 1. A keyswitch and toggle switch on a block with the panel containing batts mounted higher up the wall. Lacking a buzzer, this beauty would ring both internal and external bells on setting and unsetting. I'll bet the neighbours were impressed. I remember a 74 panel connected to a boxed turntable that had to be reset by pressing a button on the deck and cueing up the record. The start of my DJing career. Took this out recently, and it stil worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Right, here goes. The oldest had to be the S type 1. A keyswitch and toggle switch on a block with the panel containing batts mounted higher up the wall. Lacking a buzzer, this beauty would ring both internal and external bells on setting and unsetting. I'll bet the neighbours were impressed. on rely-a-bell and later Chubbs CA3 they called it a 'lockblock and coffin' design, same idea keyswitch, toggle switch and a reset button. house versions had an 'AGRO' buzzer, if you touched it while adjusting it would kick you across the room. the countless number of trainee's, and a few supervisors i 'got' that way - progress? where's all the fun gone if i had an intermittent on a laced wired circuit, i'd feed a spare agro buzzer via a 12 volt hpi battery, the induction would either weld the 'rot' or blow it apart. if at night or a basement and you were lucky you would see the spark, smoke or arcing from the fault. just some 'old skills' shown to me from my original service trainer - who needs these new fangled calibrated meters . regs alan Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Wots laced wiring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpye Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) Wots laced wiring OMG, and you are an 'old hand' alarm engineer? Time to go back to school I think. Edited August 16, 2006 by magpye Quote Someone told me I was ignorant and apathetic, I don't know what that means, nor do I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Laced wiring is using tube and battens across doors, windows, weak walls, Etc. Yer I'am forming a new firm called "retro alarms" it all tube & batten, cc wire & foil......... Anybody know where I can get hold of mark II escort van some wooden ladders & a flared leg boiler suit? For the complete look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Laced wiring is using tube and battens across doors, windows, weak walls, Etc. Yer I'am forming a new firm called "retro alarms" it all tube & batten, cc wire & foil......... i Anybody know where I can get hold of mark II escort van some wooden ladders & a flared leg boiler suit? For the complete look? your not going back far enough, tube and batten is the modern version, it's tube and saddle frames using ebony coated coppr wire and insulated staples you really want for retro don't forget the kerry spring contacts and knock out bars either. as to clothes Chubbs issued its service enginners with blue plastic 'barbers' jackets, it got a bit saucy if you went into a gay persons flat i can tell you - backs to the wall and all that regs alan Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 hi all, talking knockout rods i just remembered a customer when i was on Chubbs, she was a baraster, and only worked 6 months a year and travelled six months. she had every window on the house fitted with knock out rods so she could walk arround inside and be protected. the alarm was always armed, and about every 2 weeks she'd open a window and dislodge a bar calling the police. to stop here getting nasty letters from the CPO i said to remove the phone from the cradle within 30 seconds, so at least the 999 would be stopped and we did a dress rehearsal. next call for a reset, i asked did she take the phone off the hook? 'Yes' so the Police were not called 'er! yes they were'. baffled i check this old black phone (the one's with a chrome dial) no probs, so got her to demonstrate, she sets off the alarm rushes to the cupboard and lifts the receiver as planned - then plants here fingers on the wrest buttons banghead just glad i never needed her to defend me regs alan Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallbloke Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Olds, mate. That's a corker. I like what looks like the innards out of an old AFA bell behind the hurdy -gurdy. That's effectively the panel and PSU, isn't it? You could be known as The Curator. Of the museum, that is. Retro alarms. LOL I did a search on Google and read something about early signalling systems and how they predated and later gave rise to city-wide phone systems in the US. The first electric burglar alarm was used in 1858, apparently. Bit before my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickfrombosch Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 For me could have been a mumford & white CPC4 or a Securitech MA5 (Any ex Britannia engineers out there?) Used to use A&G for my early PJ's. I hear people say it was easier in those days, in terms of nice low tech, easy standards (as aposed to pd6662/dd243) BUT, remember lace wiring vaults, foiling shopfronts and making T&B frames AGGGHHHHH!!!! Quote Mick Gates Regional Sales Manager- Intrusion Products Bosch Security www.boschsecurity.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickfrombosch Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Reassuring to know there are still people that know how to do it! I once made about 6 of them, in a nice big warehouse, loads of space to knock them up, then went to mount them on the windows, (in another room) and couldnt get them through the door!! Had to redo the lot!! we fitted a t&b frame to an outbuilding window a couple of weeks ago, hardest bit..finding insulated staples! Quote Mick Gates Regional Sales Manager- Intrusion Products Bosch Security www.boschsecurity.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 we fitted a t&b frame to an outbuilding window a couple of weeks ago, hardest bit..finding insulated staples! blimey james, i thought i'd be the only one to remember using saddle (insulated) staples. companie's stopped using them in the '70s in favour of 1/2" galvenised. i always thought it was a backwards step . the 'logic' aplied being the insulated saddle could allow the cable to slip instead of break. the amount of earths, shorts and rots, thus false alarms that would have been avoided had we all stuck with saddled one's far outweighed this risk imo . BS.4737 then decided in its great wisdom we needed to use nylon insulated posts and screws for concealed anchors in stead of the 1/4" rubber gromet and 1 1/2" black japan screw . i know securitas used their T28 cable tackers for laced wire stapling - oh dear oh dear! regs alan Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Wots laced wiring OMG, and you are an 'old hand' alarm engineer? Time to go back to school I think. Did you not se the grin behind the question? sorry forgot to reply to this. Next lesson is window foil and straight lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 straight lines? whats this Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistle Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Do you remember the realy old mats that had a tarton cover on them. I serviced loads of dry cell systems over my time the one's with the end of line flag battery with a diode fitted to them, all well over 30 years old. It had a green lamp on the front that lit up when you pressed the test button if all was clear. The whole house would be run in brown twin a + loop and a - loop in the same cable mats caused a shot and doors went on on of the loops. F,in nightmare to find a fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Next lesson is window foil and straight lines. woa! there old hand, don't give away all our secrets - or they'll be putting external sirens up plumb next - OMG! you coulds start a rash! always loved the lazy gits who left the masking tape on the windows, and those who used permanant markers when setting out regs alan Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Do you remember the realy old mats that had a tarton cover on them.I serviced loads of dry cell systems over my time the one's with the end of line flag battery with a diode fitted to them, all well over 30 years old. It had a green lamp on the front that lit up when you pressed the test button if all was clear. The whole house would be run in brown twin a + loop and a - loop in the same cable mats caused a shot and doors went on on of the loops. F,in nightmare to find a fault. the ist alarms i worked were all oc button contacts in the hinged side of the door, no anti tamper and no limit to numbers of them or pad's either. the times i have spent on tracing the foil type pads where someone dropped a dressmakers pin or needle which then penetrated the sleeve and shorted the plates. the hoover would reposition them too, once the plastic went brittle. i made a 'crasher' which was initially a simple monastable designed and used for intermittent loop testing, i then modified it to pick up fast shorts on o/c's. i'd attach it to the pair and walk into each room, jump in the air or stamp the floor. the bleep would sense and extend the signal of the short the client was also convinced, and could not the chair was not on the mat for instance, saved untold hours of carpet lifting, and seeing my 'mad genius act' they tended to sign on the dotted line no trouble regs alan Edited August 19, 2006 by arfur mo Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binthere Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Hi to all, I was recently called to an address which seemed familiar, when i got there i remembered that it was my first installation as an engineer. The alarm panel was a Metal ADE Logic 4 ( for the newer engineers, yes they used to make them from metal......) To my surprise it was still going strong.. no problems at all, just needed the back up battery changing. No matter how much i tried, the couple refused to upgrade, all this new fangled technology is not for them... I just wondered what is the other installers first panels were??? Great forum love reading the topics ... Very interesting, I wish I was that young the first panel I fitted was Rely a Bell panel in 1970 the actual panel was wired with anti tamper wire, all windows and door's were wired the 'old way' it was really hard work the back up battery was an Ever Ready type battery, the alarm was connected to a TYPE of dialling machine that had a specially made record placed on a turrntable which sent a message to the Police, there was also another type of Police calling device that went direct to the local 24 hour manned Police Station where we had access to test, at the Police Station there was banks of switches that activated when signalled the switch relay went down an an audible signal was heard the Police Officer then checked the numbered switch and dispatched a Police car. Believe me this is true even I often wonder if all that really did happen after what we have now days. All I can say is 'it did work' I must admit things are slightly!! different the Police were helpful and if we were required to Reset a system (the record) we would get a Police escort, as they normally wanted to get back quickly to their game of snooker at the Police Station. Binthere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi to all, I was recently called to an address which seemed familiar, when i got there i remembered that it was my first installation as an engineer. The alarm panel was a Metal ADE Logic 4 ( for the newer engineers, yes they used to make them from metal......) To my surprise it was still going strong.. no problems at all, just needed the back up battery changing. No matter how much i tried, the couple refused to upgrade, all this new fangled technology is not for them... I just wondered what is the other installers first panels were??? Great forum love reading the topics ... Very interesting, I wish I was that young the first panel I fitted was Rely a Bell panel in 1970 the actual panel was wired with anti tamper wire, all windows and door's were wired the 'old way' it was really hard work the back up battery was an Ever Ready type battery, the alarm was connected to a TYPE of dialling machine that had a specially made record placed on a turrntable which sent a message to the Police, there was also another type of Police calling device that went direct to the local 24 hour manned Police Station where we had access to test, at the Police Station there was banks of switches that activated when signalled the switch relay went down an an audible signal was heard the Police Officer then checked the numbered switch and dispatched a Police car. Believe me this is true even I often wonder if all that really did happen after what we have now days. hi binthere, i'm not sure your memory serves you to well mate, especially about the 12 volt battery. rely-a-bell was 5 qs flags in the panel and 3 x 'O' cells end of line. Burgots had an EverReady HP1 as standby as it was a 12 volt system. the PIU (Police Indicator Unit) was fitted to the local police station. a high security 'balanced' version came out later which had 8 channels and had to be 'tuned' both ends - nightmare for service in electrical storms if lightning bolt hit the manhole outside the main police station - which it did 3 times over one easter weekend at Southend - and i was on call. the '999' you speak of which were 12 volt battery operated was called an 'RG' or 'RE' , one version had line fault sensing, a good clump on the catch side of the case used to send the arm across the record and cancel the call servicing was a bit 'brutal' in those days B) . regs alan Quote If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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