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Not enough to properly comment! But, oddly, 3 of the last ever IR120s I fitted caused frequent FAs which were proven not to be the panel, wiring etc... And despite being mirrored were fitted away from windows etc... & set to Harsh. No big dogs (but both had a cat). Also, one Iwise PET DT at the same time couldn't cope with a small dog. Kept going off, except when dog at customers parents!! All 4 were replaced with DTs or Pet e-lines as appropriate, no probs yet. I have a 'test' domestic house with all e-lines with no FAs to date and regular settings (not monitored but I do read the log).

How can they ever be as good as the mirrored optic Alarmcom designed IR series they replaced? That's what I thought when I got the email saying that the IR series were dead and buried, I think nearly 20 years since they first turned up on the scene. Many years before that though, Siemens quietly launched the e-line series... Which today looks like this, line up wise: There is even a website which looks a bit like this - http://www.e-linedetector.com/e-line/ So I've been using the IR series for a few years with great success (although, ironically, since they were discontinued, I've had 2 false alarms on IR sites that have been cured* by replacement with the e-lines...) *fingers crossed. Other than that I've had a few test sites including a 'difficult' conservatory type scenario, with pets, which has stood up remarkably well. What do they look like? Well you'll probably love or hate them. They are definitely 'big'; have a look at this one posing on a whippet blanket; That's approx 10cm high. They carry over the design from the old IR series of the plug-in backplate, which is good because now the entire range has the same footprint. So far, the advantages as I see them are: + Cost, you'll be pleasantly surprised at the SecWare prices on the G2 PIR + The entire range is Pet Friendly, although choose 60KG and you'll lose the EN. This also seems odd for G3! + Universal backplate for upgrades to DT + White Light filters available + Corridor version available + Matching 2 way wireless unit for SPC panel fans (not trialled yet) + Nice easy to use terminals + EOL units plug in and easy to fit + In tests have performed flawlessly to date. But... - There is LESS room then before for excess cable even compared to the smaller IR120 - The EOL unit sticks out a LOT and gets shoved to one side on closure of the unit - The terminals marked as 'SPARE' on the backplate, esp terminal 4, are NOT spare if you plug in the EOL unit!!! They seem to be internally connected to the EOL to allow for universal use on units supporting mask, so if you use the 'spare' terminal for looping through, it's going to cause no end of faults, as I quickly discovered! - You'll need to secure well (not a bad thing) as the pressure needed to separate unit and backplate is high - You CAN fit a G3 unit to a G2 backplate (and vice versa) but the terminals will be marked up wrongly for mask etc... - Users of obscure panels have to stock a dedicated 'EOL Board 2' version. Why oh why couldn't they just have every value covered by jumpers like an iwise? ...Anyway I will be tentatively using these in place of IR series (PIR) and iWise (DT) in future, and would recommend them for anything where the price of a couple of service station burgers isn't too much for a basic PIR!

r u sure, all transfers in are fee free for me (even after 'free year' ends)

Not the **-UK version, that used trad glass fuses, and which AFAIK (according to Cooper marketing blurb) is still available 'for those wanting an ungraded panel'.

Still have to use Risko beams and universal wireless adaptor (think they do one) though...? Tell them its £5k and then we'll see if money really is no object!

Well, no, I hadn't even got to that bit!

Can't think of many systems that allow you to inexpensively, and wirelessly, add perimeter protection. Not saying the visonic is any good as I've never used it I just can't think how you'd replace it other than Risco wireless beams, ££££s I think.

Ice to see you...!

Lol, very little!

I've seen white coax passed off as FP to a gullible landlord. Well, I'm saying that. Either way there was a simpleton at one end of the contract...

Just the good ones!

What I sometimes do is connect the 0V to the nearest earth on a socket or light at the keypad end, then back at the panel connect the earth to 0V. Result - much lower resistance!* *OP please do not do this. We recommend you check all connections and replace any short/easily accessible runs with the correct alarm cable.

Surely 40mm welding wire?!

It would certainly do no harm to rewire at this early stage.

It could still very much be the cable type causing O/C problems, seen it a hundred times on DIY / carp installations. The copper can quite easily break underneath the insulation esp. if its CCA tat.

Nah I'm on on the Aldi vodka! (Costcutter had police tape all over the door again)

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Gotta new motor?

I'd have bet on that at Labrookes. However....!

Pyronix and texecom now sell versions of their boxes which can be dummy, wireless, or trad wired in the same looking outer case(s). AFAIK only wired have LEDs.

Yes I heard about the account holder on here overhearing better prices being given cash to JP...

I'd be amazed if they didn't. True they still have the 'Trade Only' sign in the window but it doesn't stop cash sales when no questions are asked (i.e. always)

Or a wireless version of a Texecom or Pyronix box?

if you are treuly looking to identify, you'll need a high definition system and 'best practice' bespoke system design. Maplin kits and the like will not cut it. The other benefit of HD is that you can sometimes cut the number of cameras that would have been needed as analogue.

Wireless bellboxes often don't have LEDs of any kind and they are increasing. So impossible to say these days. Conversely I often fit a dummy box with signalling systems that has a 5 year battery powered LED.