sixwheeledbeast
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So? AG6 DIY and sparkie favourite... junk but available and popular.
Everyone will have their own favourite panel and bell.
If you have a sample size of 1 and it works for 10 years what's the issue...
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Linking the TR to 0v will disable the bell tamper loop (on most panels) to rule out the panel being an issue, which is unlikely but possible.
Not too keen on Deltabell. Any "wired SAB external sounder" should do, many manufacturers from CQR, Honeywell, Texecom, Pyronix. Scantronic/Eaton have one which is most likely to have wiring diagram for 9853 if you need.
They may come as two pieces lid and backplate, companies would have the lid screen printed in bulk so they often come separate.
Strobe flash is high voltage don't go poking it. Electrocution and working at height not a good combination.
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There is something wrong with the bell tamper circuit, so the wiring needs testing with a meter or the bell needs testing and maybe replacing.
As it doesn't seem intermittent it should be relatively easy for someone knowledgable to find and repair.
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My percentages where facts not statistics, where is the source for this and how are they collated...
No-one is going to admit to being a professional burglar, even serial burglars know how to play the game so it looks unmeditated to do less time.
Saying a GSM speech dialler is the "same signals" as a Dualcom unit is just bull!
Your saying your talking from experience, what experience; compared to the rest of the trade members in the forum?
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What use is a security product that works 99% of the time in general use, but 0% of the time if attacked or jammed.
I suppose they still fit doors with cheap euro cylinders so there is a market for rubbish...
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Thanks for your additional comment a year later. Lets just say the remark wasn't solely about the plug top...
A plug top could actually conform, provided it was secured from accidental disconnection.
Also who knows what qualifications, competence or other help the non-trade that post here have.
It's in the DIY section, they may want to wire it in wet string via a bathroom....
Being trade we explain how it should be, any one with basic DIY skills can throw wireless kit on the wall wrong.
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It will probably be fine, but they recommend to be installed within 15 months of manufacturer.
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As far as I am aware they are still Year Month Day Batch, yes
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Do what you did in reverse and hope it works.
Putting a weight on the back tamper is bound to cause issues. If you have to DIY it that way you should mount them to a scrap sheet of timber back as the were.
Really best option is above, remove, de-commision, have your work done, reinstall, re-commision.
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We get regular questions about it. The last one thought the installer was trying to rip them off by recommending an upgrade...
If they don't have them serviced regularly the system probably isn't much use just a liability anyway.
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10 hours ago, james.wilson said:
Unfortunately we as a trade haven't moved with the times, someone seeing smtp as acceptable shows the misunderstanding.
We know what proper signalling is but it isn't understood.
OP you should look at signalling as smtp or push or dialler isn't. I feel that the message is lost (intended)
I agree, comms side is confusing for people not in the trade. We spoke about this recently in trade.
This is why I have purposely been referring to these types of communication as "private reporting" here. IMO It is a better term to describe, non polled self hosted messaging. Using no words related to ARC's or signalling.
But even "proper" signalling have confusing grades. What use is ATS G2 if complete failure is 25 hour response, for example.
I don't think the insurance understand half the time either.
As for PSTN switch off, the alarm industry has been preparing for this for a decade or more. The topic just keeps rolling on and on, all the kit is ready most have been fitting it or upgrading to it for a long time.
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1 hour ago, dlucas said:
That would appear to use the Connect push notifications and be free? No registered installer seems necessary or is that not the case with that model?
Nope. All registered through Texecom Cloud now which needs an installer account.
Most places like this would need approved installer for the system to be worth anything. I can't imagine an insurer would touch it.
The majority of electricians and IT work I have had the pleasure to deal with has been well below par.
That's not to say yours will be, just you can't learn how to install a system from looking at manuals.
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Possibly with a local relay server and beta like software but completely unreliable transmission method. GSM-Com your best DIY option for private reporting.
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Smartcom is registered trade installers only through the Cloud platform.
ComIP doesn't need registration if you only need Wintex.
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Why would you need to import codes if the access is setting it. Paxton have installation notes about how to do this integration to standard with additional readers and ET.
Texecom is my preferred kit, I have no major issues and it fits the way I work. Manufacturer of the kit is not really relevant for a one off job and at commercial end they all do similar.
Every installer fits what suits them.
With so many users I would say it's going to be a full time job managing the place, so I would built the system around that issue first.
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DIY would be ungraded anyway, even if you aspire to meet the standards.
You can integrate Net2 into most intruder systems, to suit whatever you want if you don't like rollcall then an arming station.
Makes the panel manufacturer irrelevant. Alternatively, flip it the other way and have the intruder control your access but would be less flexible as an access system.
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As above I wasn't referring to a fault with your consumer unit. Systems are not suppose to trigger outside when you remove the power!
Yes you should be fine reusing the wiring if there is no fault with it.
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Needs a new external sounder from what you say. As an aside your breaker tripping shouldn't trigger the siren, that indicates another unrelated fault.
Some you can replace the battery pack but it's not worth the effort unless it's fairly new, the plastics fatigue and the Great British weather gets to them.
Ladders, ear defenders and be careful not to electrocute yourself on the strobe flash if DIY.
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Just checking for stable voltage is only half of it, you need to make sure the panel can charge the battery at a decent enough rate.
Measuring the current in and out of the battery with mains on and off.
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Lol Verisure... nice downgrade.
If you have an installer at the moment then what do they recommend?
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If a targeted break-in very likely. Doesn't need any special tools just some basic knowledge of how it all works.
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Mobile signals can be jammed and IP could still have downtime or an attack.
Both the path or the manufacturer are irrelevant, the only way you know if a signal will be received is if it polls (uses/tests) the path regularly.
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Maybe keep the panel but replace the dialler for proper signalling on pins or a GSM thing but it's just not cost effective in the long run compared with upgrading now.
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TL;DR - Yes upgrade system.
To expand because I am sure that's why you are here...
The panel is obsolete so no parts are available. As an aside, I am surprised your keypad is still functional, most I see now you can hardly read the screen or press the code in with ease.
Vo-Comm uses PSTN, you will not have this. The new router will probably have an ATA as you say but you will likely get issues with using this and it be unreliable, the same reason most fax machines are in the bin.
Virgin just want you to switch and deal with the issue later, but in fairness all newly designed systems should either be radio i.e. SIM card or IP i.e WiFi/Ethernet as options, be that private reporting or monitoring.
Even if you did it try connecting to the ATA and you were fortunate enough to have it work somewhat reliably, it would only take some router upgrade or power outage and it may stop working.
You will be responsible for making sure the ATA works and has line voltage so the Vo-Comm can dial, your PSTN provider currently do that -- with ATA if the router is powered off or crashes; then no line/no message.
These types of private reporting are not too reliable, so you may not care about it only working some of the time, there is no polling so who knows if it will work when you need anyway.
Scantronic 9853 Tamper Message Reset
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Yes, and yes as a temporary fix. It's down to if there will be further damage to the wiring in the near future.
Something could be crushed or being chewed at for example.
Also consider that you need 5 cores minimum, so you will have to cross check when pairing your cores.
If it's the wiring and the bell and as important it's battery are in good working condition; there is no need to replace.
When I say cross checking multiple pairs but also open circuit between everything too.