PeterJames
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probably pressed the panic button, put the key in and turn it till the little window goes green.
Just a note, if your selling your house its likely that the buyers solicitor will ask about service history, and certificates for the alarm. Its probably not a deal breaker but anything that cam put your buyers off in this climate is not good
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50 minutes ago, Imnotshankled said:
Pyronix app is definitely the best
orisec app with GSM SD works perfectly fine for most domestics and has transmitted the signals successfully on several genuine break ins
Not sure that you have seen or used all the apps, I accept that the free ones will work most of the time, after all a stopped clock is right twice a day
33 minutes ago, Imnotshankled said:Planned attacks are rare according to statistics 85% of break ins are not conducted by professional burglars
I don't just rely on app notifications as even I know that all alarm apps are awful
But the GSM speech dialler is perfectly reliable for domestics which uses the exact same signals as a csl dualcom
in fact from experience it can take up to 5 minutes of the dualcom being offline before the customer even gets informed and on some older versus units you don't get a offline message at all
Define planned, most that I see have some planning, ie they know when the the kids are being picked up from school, or when the occupants are away. I have been to too many houses that were burgled while the owners were having their two weeks in the sun, tell me thats not planned. Opportunist burglaries are usually due to something like a window left open or seeing someone leaving the house.
GSM dialer cant tell you when its not working, a dualcom is polled every hour or every 20 min depending on the grade, the arC will call keyholders when it fails to pole, if you have a gsm dialler you are blissfully unaware. I have had customers that regularly forgot to top up their PAYG sim in their dialer.
You are beginning to turn into Arfur, Logan
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4 hours ago, Imnotshankled said:
I haven't noticed any issues with the orisec app over gsm
Fixed!
According to the FB security forums most of the free ones have been down at one time or another. Many of them are now charging for their apps, to fund their costs.
Bear in mind in order for someone to get something for nothing, someone is getting nothing for something. A business cannot afford to continue to spend money on servers and electricity to run them for nothing in return, and all the while they are supplying this service for free they have no motivation to fix it quickly when it goes wrong.
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1 hour ago, Imnotshankled said:
It's better than nothing
Only if its working when you need it to. People come here for advice, if we just said yeah that'l do and then they were burgled because the system failed then we would not be providing good advice would we. If something is unreliable, we should say so, and we all know that the free apps have been very unreliable.
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Removing two external sounders diy what could possibly go wrong.....
Take mr H's advice, or have the pointing done around them if you really cant afford an engineer. It would just save you falling out with your neighbours.
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Hi and welcome to the forum.
There are a number of ways you could do this using ir beams. or ground loops. But I think most decent CCTV manufacturers would have this covered with something like vehicle counting vehicle detection and ANPR.
Ground loops would probably be the most reliable method of detection
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1 hour ago, Bobby21 said:
Thanks again.my fuse box has always done this..
It not your fuse box doing it.
The siren is not supposed to sound when the power is tripped, could you imagine the chaos if this happened to every alarm in your street in a power cut.
There is a battery in the bell that is designed to make the external sounder sound when there is no connection from the control panel. The panel is constantly supplying voltage to the external sounder, if it loses the voltage like when someone cuts the wire going to the sounder the battery then takes over and the sounder sounds.
The panel also has a battery inside, this battery keeps the panel powered in a powercut, this also means that the panel is able to keep the voltage going to the external sounder thus preventing it from sounding in a powercut. The fault you describe, your external sounder sounding in a powercut, there is something wrong, as above probably battery or battery fuse or charging circuit.
The sounder intermittently sounding is a symptom of the fault, not the fault, to test if the sounder is good, with the power on set the alarm off by aring it and walking into the armed area. If the sounder sounds as it should, then you need to get someone that knows what they are doing to take a proper look and make a proper diagnosis of what is actually wrong.
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3 hours ago, MrHappy said:
Go & work with the spackers* & slackers* at a large alarm alarm co.
I reckon he is another Aaron, starts of like he has and builds himself a nice little empire, I agree working for someone else is how you learn the trade and earn some cash, thats how most of us started our empires, and our bosses before us.
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1 hour ago, Kagzy said:
next step is to replace the battery, thanks guys!
Lets hope its not too late for that, if the battery has been pulling the charging circuit down enough to blow a fuse it may be your panel is unable to charge a new battery
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As you get bigger you need more people to answer the phone, run around doing the servicing, and installing. My full time job nowadays is surveying and selling the stuff, I do go out when we get busy and I have done on more than one occasion over the last couple of years, but I get a backlog of office work when I do, hence why you will eventually need staff, and they are hard work.
For your ability Logan I would employ you like a shot, but from reading your posts I dont think you would last very long working for me. You are definately are a very clever bright young man, with a talent for electronics, you have a good understanding which many people of your age and for that matter any age sadly lack. But I think you may well be pretty much unemployable (which is not a criticism, many on here that run their own business including myself are unemployable) just because its your way or the highway attitude, as you get older and get a bit more life experience that will change. You will do well though, to achieve what you have so far at your age is a big thing and I admire you for that.
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how do you know they were fine, did you check them with a multimeter? The battery one is your charging circuit when was the battery last replaced, if that fuse has blown its normally because the battery is drawing too much current, in other words knackered
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You have blown the internal aux fuse
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Virgin are saying to me 99% of alarms systems are ok with it as there digital phone line system (VOIP) is the same as a phone line its just digital you can even plug standard landline phone into it without issue but require me to confirm this before signing up i dont want to be left in a postition when they install it wont work.
If you sold fibre for a living thats what you would say too, then when it doesnt work, just say oh dear your system is one of the 1%.
Of course your installer has told you it needs to be upgraded, you asked them their advice, and that is their advice. Most here would give the same or similar advice, not because anyone wants your money, we make no financial gain giving you advice but you came here asking for advice.
Your cheaper alternate would be to add a gsm dialler as suggested by other, this will have additional monthly fees for SIM etc, there are wifi signalling units out there too, but again there will be costs for these too as they work via servers which cost money to keep running.
What I will say is your Vocom will be no good after 2025 as openreach plan to digitise all pstn by then anyway.
My advice would be upgrade the panel if you can afford to, if you cannot, the choices are GSM or Wifi if your installer has a universal Wifi solution
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7 minutes ago, MrHappy said:
open camera ?
tourist type live feed ??
The AI is finding the footage from an instagram picture taken near the cctv camera. It goes to show how very intelligent cameras are that it can identify someone from their photo on a webpage
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Best is not easy to install but not available to non trade anyway. Easiest for you would be ION as its what you are used to.
The battery voltage is no indication of its health, a fecked battery will still read 13v the panel has been pushing 13v through it, its not like your torch battery dropping volts as it gets used, you need to load test it too find out if its any good. If its older than 4 years old then you should replace it. If its several years older then it will fail a load test for sure, and that may well be the cause of your bus problem
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Regularly serviced? battery replaced every 4 years. Could be several reasons for the panel to default, it was an old panel in 2015 its ancient compared todays panels.
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5 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said:
The more this thread goes on the more I feel this is someone looking for information on defeating a system.
If you were the genuine homeowner, confident with some DIY; you would have put some ear defenders on and pulled it apart already.
I sort of thought the same but then I thought, how is a burglar going to put it in engineer mode first, engineers code wont disarm the system if its armed, and if it did why would they be bothered about it not disabling the sound. If it were an inside job why remove the sa? It wouldnt make it look any less of an inside job.
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12 hours ago, james.wilson said:
OK Pete I don't know the gear you are right on the one way thing but I'd of thought a bell is 2 way. ie trigger 1 way tamper the other way. It's a shame 1 way stuff is still in existence
Basic two way, send a signal to say its being tampered much like a detector. Not intelligent two way in the respect it knows its in engineer.
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3 hours ago, james.wilson said:
Wireless Bell may allow tamper without sounding a wired one shouldnt
Agility is one way wireless, surely two way coms would be required for a panel to tell a bell its in engineer. In the same way it would tell detectors its armed. Im not saying your wrong, but why would manufacturers make a wireless system that disables the bell in engineers and not make a hard wired one that does the same. After all you only need 5 of a 6 core cable to wire an sas so you have a spare if you only use 6 core. Not that I would use it though its sound too much of a risk.
15 minutes ago, al-yeti said:Galaxy? Or similar using delta with tamper disable connection to an output when in engineers mode , sure it will disable the tamper ......
Very few would do it though, too much faff and another thing that could go wrong, with serious consequences, nobody wants a failed to operate on their hands.
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9 hours ago, Mejasper said:
Peter, you said that the external bell will sound even if I put it in engineers mode.
when the engineers have changed the batteries in the past don’t they put it in antitamper or something to stop it sounding?
No engineers mode wont stop it from sounding, it will still sound when you open the box. Engineers are fairly quick to stop it sounding once its open, and once the battery is disconnected its silent, they can then move the dip switch to 5 sec put the new battery on the sounder will sound for 5 secs they then move the dip back to 20 mins. Nobody can disable the external sounder from sounding without opening it first, unless the battery is already flat, or the sounder is faulty
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Next week Ive decided to go to work each day in a different bread related fancy dress.....roll on Monday.
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I nearly got myself out of a ticket by telling the Police woman she looked king stunning.......and then I cocked it up by saying "and thats not the drink talking"
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14 minutes ago, james.wilson said:
Just dont add you address to the online sale, im not a huge risco fan but id prefer it to any diy grade system
QFA Risco is not a great brand but compared to the tat being marketed on Amazon and Ebay, its miles ahead
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13 minutes ago, Mejasper said:
Thanks Peter
so theres no way of powering down without the bell going off?
I keen to replace with a DIY system to save on the increasing yearly maintenance costs and hoping to be able to decom the system by myself.
is there a market for 2nd hand agility 3 systems?
The agility is a diy system? Not even engineers can get around a bell tamper, the bell is made so that it cannot be compromised without bringing attention to itself.
The problem with not having a service contract is you have no one to call at silly o clock in the morning, when the sounders going and the panel is not responding
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External keypad is your problem, they are not IP rated and are supposed to be mounted internally not externally