Andrew Averill 0 Posted February 13 Good afternoon all. I know the replace old for new has been discussed over and over but. Some years back we bought a new house and was able to get the sparks to run alarm cable in for us even though we bought from a national house builder group. When we moved in I bought an Abacus system and fitted it myself with no problems. We moved into an older house some six years back which has a Risco system fitted. Problem is, I need to extend the system and have realised all the PIR’s are daisy chained together using the biscuit system to identify back at the panel. The biscuits are available on eBay but I’m thinking its not worth the hassle bearing in mind its an old system. Our property isn’t small and probably extends out to around 5-6000 sq ft, we also live out in the sticks and fairly isolated. A wireless system is probably the best way to go with all the bells and whistles. Can anyone recommend a solid system? Many thanks in anticipation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datadiffusion 528 Posted February 13 Hi, welcome to TSI. Is there literally just one line from the panel for all sensors? In my experience with iD systems, there is rarely just the one massive chain but maybe 1 or 2 smaller ones, just for convenience, even if they are commonned at the panel. IF thats the case on a domestic, and provided there are enough cores, you can often just use the same wiring with shared power and 2 wire EOL at the detector. Or at worst minimise the amount of wireless components. Remember, a wireless alarm will need regular battery changes - I always avoid wireless where it can be avoided Also, if you really mean Risco, this isn't the iD biscuit system, this would (in my more limited experience) surely be the Risco Bus system, which is fairly unpopular but I think still current? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Logan 48 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Andrew Averill said: Good afternoon all. I know the replace old for new has been discussed over and over but. Some years back we bought a new house and was able to get the sparks to run alarm cable in for us even though we bought from a national house builder group. When we moved in I bought an Abacus system and fitted it myself with no problems. We moved into an older house some six years back which has a Risco system fitted. Problem is, I need to extend the system and have realised all the PIR’s are daisy chained together using the biscuit system to identify back at the panel. The biscuits are available on eBay but I’m thinking its not worth the hassle bearing in mind its an old system. Our property isn’t small and probably extends out to around 5-6000 sq ft, we also live out in the sticks and fairly isolated. A wireless system is probably the best way to go with all the bells and whistles. Can anyone recommend a solid system? Many thanks in anticipation. Can you please attach a picture of the panel, keypad and pirs 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
al-yeti 430 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Andrew Averill said: Good afternoon all. I know the replace old for new has been discussed over and over but. Some years back we bought a new house and was able to get the sparks to run alarm cable in for us even though we bought from a national house builder group. When we moved in I bought an Abacus system and fitted it myself with no problems. We moved into an older house some six years back which has a Risco system fitted. Problem is, I need to extend the system and have realised all the PIR’s are daisy chained together using the biscuit system to identify back at the panel. The biscuits are available on eBay but I’m thinking its not worth the hassle bearing in mind its an old system. Our property isn’t small and probably extends out to around 5-6000 sq ft, we also live out in the sticks and fairly isolated. A wireless system is probably the best way to go with all the bells and whistles. Can anyone recommend a solid system? Many thanks in anticipation. Self install nice DIY panel pyronix enforcer Then although only 1way on devices the Eaton ion 40 Both okish to self install Then you got panels some you can buy some you can't but most need installer if you want it done right Like texecom premier elite ricochet system Hkc Vanderbilt Dimension if you want to get carried away but not very residential friendly so bottom of list 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
al-yeti 430 Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, Logan said: Can you please attach a picture of the panel, keypad and pirs You just want it 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norman 881 Posted February 13 Careful Jimmy... Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Logan 48 Posted February 13 44 minutes ago, al-yeti said: Self install nice DIY panel pyronix enforcer Then although only 1way on devices the Eaton ion 40 If its a ID system NEITHER of these panels would work 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datadiffusion 528 Posted February 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Logan said: If its a ID system NEITHER of these panels would work As I say, outside of commercial where the iD system really WAS a useful idea, e.g. warehouses with about 20 fire doors around the perimeter, I've never come across a domestic one yet where there were not 2 or even 3 branches and enough spare cores. But if it is Risco I doubt it is iD and might be worth extending, as as far as I know Risco Bus is still a current product. Back to the OP... Edited February 13 by datadiffusion 1 Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
al-yeti 430 Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, Logan said: If its a ID system NEITHER of these panels would work Logan read what he said 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Averill 0 Posted February 13 Pic of the PIR. Will remove the cover off the panel tomorrow and take a pic of the keypad. Had to remove and refit PIR earlier in the year and took pic so I could wire it back up properly just in case I cocked it up lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHappy 1,351 Posted February 13 Just now, Andrew Averill said: Pic of the PIR. Will remove the cover off the panel tomorrow and take a pic of the keypad. Had to remove and refit PIR earlier in the year and took pic so I could wire it back up properly just in case I cocked it up lol. its DT... 2 Quote Mr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
al-yeti 430 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Logan said: If its a ID system NEITHER of these panels would work Read what he said at the end you joker 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Logan 48 Posted February 13 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Andrew Averill said: ID original the biscuits used to go rouge from time to time Edited February 13 by Logan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
al-yeti 430 Posted February 13 Op my comments are aimed at your end comments only incase Logan confuses you 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Logan 48 Posted February 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, al-yeti said: Op my comments are aimed at your end comments only incase Logan confuses you Doesn't mean you have to down vote my posts have you ever even worked with ID? Edited February 13 by Logan 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
al-yeti 430 Posted February 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Logan said: Doesn't mean you have to down vote my posts have you ever even worked with ID? Ok have it your way I don't care about negs Edited February 13 by al-yeti 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Averill 0 Posted February 13 If I can get only a “okish” system to install myself I would rather get the dogs by professional installer. If that’s the case I need to know what to have not what someone wants to sell me because they get a better deal from the wholesaler. Suggestions welcome.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHappy 1,351 Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, Andrew Averill said: If I can get only a “okish” system to install myself I would rather get the dogs by professional installer. If that’s the case I need to know what to have not what someone wants to sell me because they get a better deal from the wholesaler. Suggestions welcome.. There's not great deal of choice in the market place for alarm controls- Texecom, Pyronix, Honeywell Galaxy, Eaton ,HKC ? Will all be ballpark the same sort of money what you want or whats on been offered at discount doesn't really matter as an installer whats 100's / 1000's of the same kit.... 1 Quote Mr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datadiffusion 528 Posted February 14 OK so it's iD (on Risco??) OP are you happy to open up controls and well given there are dangers e.g. mains electricity? How many wires do you have coming out of the iD line is what's of interest... Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHappy 1,351 Posted February 14 Gt800 / gt590 There's very few people who you get involved in an old iD I would just fir giggles & by the hour Quote Mr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
al-yeti 430 Posted February 14 22 hours ago, Andrew Averill said: Good afternoon all. I know the replace old for new has been discussed. A wireless system is probably the best way to go with all the bells and whistles. Can anyone recommend a solid system? Many thanks in anticipation. As said before by yourself that's your best option going wireless unless you can rewire easily , try and keep the bell wire and keypad wire where possible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james.wilson 584 Posted February 14 No good for DIY but a hkc installer would upgrade to hkc Id addressable Quote securitywarehouse https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Averill 0 Posted February 14 Ok panels off and pics uploaded. The Wires are six core and are marked up as follows- Keypad Landing x2 Bell Speaker Speaker Hall Porch Landing Kitchen Bedroom There are three spare cables marked with a “?” Going no where. I could put a signal down them to trace. Interesting the maximum chain is three. Suppose that’s too many on one six core to wire three PIR’s separately? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
