Hi,

 

For a new build, I'm going to be installing a fully wired Texecom Premier Elite as the burglar alarm. Just wondering what people's thoughts are on using it also as a Fire Alarm/Detection system and how to deal with the sounders. It is for a large house (over 200Sqm per floor).

 

My issue is mainly regarding the numerous sounders needed, the installation will  have about 10 - 15 smoke detectors to meet the LD2 system required.

 

All Texecoms wired detectors appear to not include a sounder (other than their wireless one). Does anyone have a good solution to this - i.e. know of other wired smoke/Co2/heat detectors which would be suitable for the Premier Elite and also include a loud speaker and ideally being total of 4 wire or less (if even possible) so that it can use FP200 4 core cable?

 

I could put sounders just in the landing spaces, but my worry is that this wouldn't be loud enough.

 

Mike

 

get a proper fire or proper interlinked smoke alarms

3 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

get a proper fire or proper interlinked smoke alarms

Thought about that...is it for the issues I've mentioned or due to complexity/reliability with combining it into the Premier?

Here's the issues with a separate or interlinked  ...

 

Interlinked unfortunately is not allowed due to building regs (as each floor is over 200SqM, it has to have central control panel). Whilst Building Control have said they will allow such in my instance, the electricians will not sign such off. Other than not knowing where the fire is with interlinked, I think interlinked has huge pro's in terms of no single point of failure and a siren for each detector. Nest is an option for area notification, but I'd have to consider the mains wiring being that the electricians will not sign this off.
 

In regards to a separate central system for Fire only, I like the Texecom solution as I'll have keypads dotted around so would get a quick visual on where the fire is without having to go to the central fire panel (which will likely be in a closet). 

 

Feels like quite a dilemma - surely this isn't too un-common and there's a great solution out there ??

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

get a proper fire or proper interlinked smoke alarms

 

I could install a few sound bombs which would be much louder (and I think is intermittent sound for fire). 

Your comment seems to suggest it's perhaps not a good idea to use the Premier though as a 'proper' fire alarm system - would be keen to hear what your reasons are, I do want it to be a good (and very robust) system, but ideally with quick identification of where the fire is.

 

Thanks

the sound bombs require remote power

The prem is not a proper fire panel

If you want 'proper' fire then use proper fire kit. DO NOT use intruder gear in a fire alarm

2 hours ago, Michaelangelo999 said:

 

I could install a few sound bombs which would be much louder (and I think is intermittent sound for fire). 

Your comment seems to suggest it's perhaps not a good idea to use the Premier though as a 'proper' fire alarm system - would be keen to hear what your reasons are, I do want it to be a good (and very robust) system, but ideally with quick identification of where the fire is.

 

Thanks

Proper fire alarm kit isn't that expensive

 

Then us a relay output to trigger the prem

3 hours ago, Michaelangelo999 said:

Thought about that...is it for the issues I've mentioned or due to complexity/reliability with combining it into the Premier?

Here's the issues with a separate or interlinked  ...

 

Interlinked unfortunately is not allowed due to building regs (as each floor is over 200SqM, it has to have central control panel). Whilst Building Control have said they will allow such in my instance, the electricians will not sign such off. Other than not knowing where the fire is with interlinked, I think interlinked has huge pro's in terms of no single point of failure and a siren for each detector. Nest is an option for area notification, but I'd have to consider the mains wiring being that the electricians will not sign this off.
 

In regards to a separate central system for Fire only, I like the Texecom solution as I'll have keypads dotted around so would get a quick visual on where the fire is without having to go to the central fire panel (which will likely be in a closet). 

 

Feels like quite a dilemma - surely this isn't too un-common and there's a great solution out there ??

 

 

 

Get another electrician to sign off or do the interlinked bit 

 

Total blag , what's reason they won't sign off an Interlinked system ? They only signing of electrical part , all down ra , where's doc cubit 

7 hours ago, Michaelangelo999 said:

Your comment seems to suggest it's perhaps not a good idea to use the Premier though as a 'proper' fire alarm system - would be keen to hear what your reasons are,

 

Its not fit for purpose,

 

7 hours ago, Michaelangelo999 said:

I do want it to be a good (and very robust) system, but ideally with quick identification of where the fire is.

 

analogue addressable fire alarm system, if you've a half decent architect or project manager you'll should have already been advised of this

McMansion on a budget for someone that can't quite afford it?

Edited February 21, 20179 yr by datadiffusion

Thanks all for your comments,

 

The electrician's said they won't sign it off as they will only do work which conforms to building regs regardless if Building Control approve a variation. I thought they just effectively signed off Part P and not Part B. Potentially they're creating less work for themselves as they would not necessarily be fitting the centralized fire alarm (just power to it), yet they would have been fitting the interlinked cable otherwise. 

 

I think separate panel it is (and as al-yeti says - linked to the Premier) .. any recommendations on a good system?

 

 

Edited February 21, 20179 yr by Michaelangelo999