agreed when i was in a van i carried that flexible stuff from rs but it didnt hold itself in place.

I still think a premade hole, painted etc does not require a grommit. Any knockouts or drilled holes do. Thats what we do.

But then im a big fan of plastic end stations, metal panels give nothing imo but i know im in the minority

I still think a premade hole, painted etc does not require a grommit. Any knockouts or drilled holes do. Thats what we do.

agree 100%, i think i grommet pre-made holes out of habit. i know if i didn't do it one day it would bug the hell out of me and i'd end up putting one in anyway.

Once taught, hard to forget.

And there are just ways of dong things right,

We still grommet all, however I would have no issue if the manufactured entry holes had no grommet, as long as the entry used for the 240v has a grommet.

same

We always use metal ES on any new panel we fit, small stuff 9651, then gal 2 upwards.

I think Adi means there is only just enough room to route the cables through the hole without a grommet.

So the gap between the mounting surface and the panel.

Yep, sure did.

490x and euro mini are 2 examples.

although euro mini now ships with stand offs.

use plastic but if metalclad then yes id use a grommit. as i said above knockouts etc need grommits, premade entrys do not. im not stating this as fact im stating what we do

I agree, i call it common sense, if the hole is smooth then is never going to be a chance in hell of it cutting through flex or T&E.

Not arguing, but most premade holes still require a grommet IMHO. ever seen the edges in them?

Who else carries a selection of files?

Have you ever seen a rough edge on a manufactures hole?

If so, what panel.

Seen edges not entirely smooth on Cooper and Galaxy.

Some plaggy stuff yrs back.

Even MK knock outs can have rough edges.

As before, taught to use them. It`s neat, tidy and is correct.

so on a normal surface plaggy backbox how did you grommit?

Holesaw and grommet or use a strip.

As I said was told to do it that way so did it that way.

Even the knock out will accept a grommet.

i dont see where you disagree with me there?