arfur mo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i would suggest filters nah!, nobody can find any big enough to fit my mouth regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i had 100v ac the other day hope you reported it could be induction, sometimes i've seen chains of florescents cause this on alarm cables when run close, especially with modern high input impedance DVM's regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 imo the most common vexed question raised on dialers is the missing of the need for 'pull up' resistors (both for trigger and line fault), now you see my 'logic' perhaps? regs alan he said quote " ive got a speechdialler and its showing line fault..." the reason will be NO LINE, nothing else and nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 now go re-read O/Pnote 3 in post 13#the bit a about there being a BT plug, which was exactly what i had deduced as described in my earlier post by the way (not that you can read all that well, and what you do read you completely misunderstand ) regs alan er so whats more use - checking the o/p is testing at the same socket as the dialler or prattling on about resisters? you misread the thread and as usual just carry on like a ship under full steam (jeez you dont even know when a line SHOULD be at 100v ac) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the fail to send is a secondary fault produced by the line fault issue, obviously it cant dial out due to it.3. try a standard BT handset in the socket to see if that dials out ok. 4. if it do's and you are with a cable supplier like Virgin, the line volts are some times lower than BT (about 35volts), this may be why your dialer is showing line fault with everything connected properly. it's a while since i used this unit but i'm sure (from my faded memory) there is a setting to overide and so force it to dial with a line fault present, i'm also sure Alter EGo (one of my apprentices) will be along shortly to ratify (well he is just so keen to be the best - i've just got to throw him a few crumbs from time to time if only to make sure he reads all the manuals ). your next step is to actually test the line volts, preferably right into the dialer connections, as it's possible you have a faulty line cord. regs alan and finally - if a standard BT handset dials out then a speechdialler will too, nothing to do with " lower volts", virgins or forced over rides (dial with a line fault ROFL) though is the dialler connected through some sort of exchange ? either on the premises or remotely, if so you would need the customary 9 first and to insert a pause ( no button ) before the real numbers thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breff Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i had 100v ac the other day hope you reported it could be induction, sometimes i've seen chains of florescents cause this on alarm cables when run close, especially with modern high input impedance DVM's regs alan Line will be 100v ac when phone is ringing. It hurts too. The opinions I express are mine and are usually correct! (Except when I'm wrong)(which I'm not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Line will be 100v ac when phone is ringing.It hurts too. thats what i thought, i've had that before. but this was constant and it didn't hurt the little bro when i tried to shock him PS Arf: you wish, i hold the thrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 he said quote " ive got a speechdialler and its showing line fault..." the reason will be NO LINE, nothing else and nothing less your getting there Angus - well nearly so can somebody wake me up when he manages to do the whole trip please? with your usual lack of brilliance you observe there is a line fault - wow! here's a newsflash for you "the O/P along with about 7000 other members i'd say worked that out all by himself" while you conteneted yourself by driveled on about broadband filters - give me a break for you enlightenment, even if he had internet on this line the lack of filters would not stop the dialer or cause the line fault condition, just as it don't with an ordinary handset. the filter stops the internet from being 'dropped' when a call is made due to the handset partially shorting the line SO CARE TO COMMENT FURTHER from your vast pool of mis-knowledge?. so now we move to diagnosing why it is showing line fault? i suggested use a standard handset in order to prove the socket works and has a working line on it, a good ruse i'd say, after all who fitted the socket? if the handset works (proving the socket and line) then then the problem is between the socket and the dialer i.e. the line is cord duff SO IT I|S NOT A LINE FAULT. now stop me if i'm wrong do we not know its a line cord? i think we do because the o/p stated there is a BT type plug on it which he used - so making any gentle progress yet are we darling?) perhaps it's been ripped out of the dialer by accident, but is still held in the casing. maybe the dialer has an issue i.e its duff, but we need to suggest tests the o/p can do himself with i respectfully assume limited tools and knowledge (but imo showing far more understanding and comprehension for good common sense approach than you ever manage to show). while we are here - regards the resistors, so what offends you? imo they are to high and why i posted a lower value should be used, if the o/p finally sorts the fault it most likely will not work every time, and not working once is very bad news would you not say? you crashed on about private exchanges, yes it would ned a '9' or a '0' depends on the programming but a line would also be handy resource first. the reason for the 'forced dial' is if the line is working at the lower than usual voltage it won't prevent the dialer starting up, so forcing it to dial in what is a 'false' line fault will overcome the problem for testing, or do you disagree? you know, do i detect a a funny but a familiar smell in here - ah! got it, thats just angus being soundly frazzled by me - again regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Line will be 100v ac when phone is ringing.It hurts too. i had a few of those when hooking up the old 999's in the days of the old black handsets, those bell coils were damn vicious and threw me across the room several times regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 and finally - if a standard BT handset dials out then a speechdialler will too, nothing to do with " lower volts", virgins or forced over rides (dial with a line fault ROFL) though how many standard BT type handsets do you know of which have a line fault monitor which prevents dialing in the absece of a dial tone? model number and make please (what an utter lemon ) regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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