arfur mo Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 why you've been pensioned off? no, more the market area i'm these last 5 years especially, and as i never registered with either of the 2 quango's. imo given the mark-up in alarm systems and trhe sheer hassle, against other trades such as telecoms CCtv and CAT5e/6 Networking, for me anyway it seemed not worth while to add such a top heavy load of paperwork to distract me, when when i have a much easier and profitable living to hand. i still fit systems as i enjoy this trade most, but mainly small to medium domestic. when i do install larger or commercial for those clients (who we all have) who inssist on me, then hand them on for M&M. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 not been pedantic but was this recently ? yes TSS Communication is "A question asked, and an Opinion given." I offer mine to help you with yours. Statements I make are my personal views only at the time they are posted, if I offend you sorry, must be taken in context and do not neccesarily represent those of my employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave the alarm man Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 when when i have a much easier and profitable living to hand. the strange thing is there very little money to be in alarms, every one's subscribers complains about the costs, everybody & their dog seems to have had a bash at it before failing, earning little money for them selfs but damaging & devauleing the market. in the eyes of the public I (we) are 12volt monkeys, giving the flooding clients who require their electric's checking can be pleasant on the phone,but alarms? I had one on the phone getting shirty about the alarm expecting flood damage done under the maintenace contract, 18" of water got the j/b for the shutter contact, complains the joint should be waterproof, complains he can't stop the alarm from ringing (powers been off 10+hours) complains no one from the arc ran up about the alarm (digi) I'am sure you can guess why, he wants someone there pronto! (don't they all) I've told him to ring us when powers restored & hopfully the road will passable by then! when he rings back I'am looking forward to telling him can have an engineer when we have payment for the pmv in april. anyone know the secret of running a firm whilst providing service cover 24 hr 356 days a year for buttons, thats wants the cleint seems to want nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Harris Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I wonder if all this confusion on the redcare point is down to the interpretation of the comments on Redcares website. It can onlybe installed by those approved BY a ukas accredited.....etc Seems to me they are stating that only those installers approved by an accredited ARC basicaly. Unless I have the wrong end of the stick. At the end of the day the key factor is the ARC in receipt of the signals, as johnny public may well physically fit a unit but he won't find Redcare willing to re-reoute signals to his mobile, it would have to go via an accredited ARC. home stu - three channels and a special connection price from BT - now been reused as redcare assure - but there is the rub you could buy 100 of them but according to the BT website if your not on the list you aint ever going to be able to " up " it Again, on pretty much the same point. You might not be on the list, but the ARC you use might be? If you aren't using an arc then you may find issues I'm sure you will all queue up to point out to me if I am wrong but that was the impression the above comments and site quotes all gave me. Thankfully it isn't an issue for myself due to the fact that we specialise on our own installation and monitoring for the bulk of our work and are accredited on many levels as well as being darn good at it too  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I wonder if all this confusion on the redcare point is down to the interpretation of the comments on Redcares website.It can onlybe installed by those approved BY a ukas accredited.....etc Seems to me they are stating that only those installers approved by an accredited ARC basicaly. Unless I have the wrong end of the stick. At the end of the day the key factor is the ARC in receipt of the signals, as johnny public may well physically fit a unit but he won't find Redcare willing to re-reoute signals to his mobile, it would have to go via an accredited ARC. Again, on pretty much the same point. You might not be on the list, but the ARC you use might be? If you aren't using an arc then you may find issues I'm sure you will all queue up to point out to me if I am wrong but that was the impression the above comments and site quotes all gave me. Thankfully it isn't an issue for myself due to the fact that we specialise on our own installation and monitoring for the bulk of our work and are accredited on many levels as well as being darn good at it too hurrah at least two members of the forum can read and distinguish between trade and diy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I wonder if all this confusion on the redcare point is down to the interpretation of the comments on Redcares website.It can onlybe installed by those approved BY a ukas accredited.....etc Seems to me they are stating that only those installers approved by an accredited ARC basicaly. Unless I have the wrong end of the stick. At the end of the day the key factor is the ARC in receipt of the signals, as johnny public may well physically fit a unit but he won't find Redcare willing to re-reoute signals to his mobile, it would have to go via an accredited ARC. Again, on pretty much the same point. You might not be on the list, but the ARC you use might be? If you aren't using an arc then you may find issues I'm sure you will all queue up to point out to me if I am wrong but that was the impression the above comments and site quotes all gave me. Thankfully it isn't an issue for myself due to the fact that we specialise on our own installation and monitoring for the bulk of our work and are accredited on many levels as well as being darn good at it too Call me old fashioned BUT if you DONT use a A.R.C you are going to run into one big issue(and it not the mag) the thing wont work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Harris Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Yep that was pretty much the point Essentially the focus is on the ARC being accredited and the ARC then only accepting connections from approved installers. The fact that part of the accreditation of the ARCs is the manner in which they ensure installers are approved is the point at which the check occurs for compliance. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 yes and did the ARC ask for any proof of trade status ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 i think the discussion is being confused a little bit, the thrust was not really about jo public but non - registered installers like me being able to fit red care to a third party ARC. lets face it the requirement would be rare for a non police response system, but not all sites rely on the Police and use wardens either contract or in-house. i'd assume there would not be a problem if, as i do you hold an account with them for monitoring of several even digi systems, they are there to make money and are themselves UKAS. i note this is the second weekend this debate is going into regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Yep that was pretty much the point Essentially the focus is on the ARC being accredited and the ARC then only accepting connections from approved installers. The fact that part of the accreditation of the ARCs is the manner in which they ensure installers are approved is the point at which the check occurs for compliance. i think we would we need to look a little further here, surely (and rightly so) it would needed to check that be registered installers only get police response systems via the URN proceedures and fair enough, but when the Police response is not an issue, whats the problem? regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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