AdrianMealing

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Yes it is, it also allows use of more of the later device types, for example, sounders, external PIR, Internal Dualtech, smopke detector and the like are not supported pre elite.

The Premier & Elite are completely different animals. Both hardware and software are different. Also the power supply, so if you are going to swap it out, you will need to change everything not just the PCB. If you can detail what you are thinking of adding to the system you can be better guided. It is not possible to flash a Premier with Elite firmware, different micro processor.

Confirmed PA is not mandatory, only required if the local force insist OR if response has been lost due to previous false activations, double push PA will be fine on a separate URN.

Ok you got me, nobody wants those, and the sales on both are really awful

So not **** then, sounds like they are onto a winner to me, Google will pay **** loads for it. I thought it was a great idea. just the sort of thing JP will lap up.

Smartphone stuff does comply with the standards, it does not have to comply to NSI, They don't make the rules, they just inspect too the standards we all use. No idea where the 5 minutes comes from, the only requirement is to sound internal sounders for the exit duration when arming remotely, and to log who used a remote device. Previous firmware would remote arm instantly which could cause false activations if someone is still in the building. Highly unlikely in my opinion, but it could happen. Firmware was launched last week that allows the required capability. Thing is everybody expects anything electrical they buy to have an app, whether they use it or not is a different matter. Its all part of the buying decision and not having it seems to most to be a negative. I have been testing our system for years now, never once armed the system with my phone except during testing. I use a fob as its on the keys I will use to lock the door and open the car. Notifications are useful when i am working away, at least i know if the last one out of the house has actually armed the system.

Explain

I was driving through the centre of town about 40 mins after it started, smoke everywhere

I was pretty sure the reg said escape routes and not exit routes. The reasons for this is, i believe, that not all escape routes are marked as an exit, for example a window.

What about the new requirements for containment of cables in escape routes, does this come into play in your current situation? if it does then whether its accessible or not is irelevant i would think.

Probably just makes itself less sensitive, so no false alarms but probably reduced catch performance, there is only so much that can be done at a certain price point.

Only if you dont encrypt it using the Engineers App..................

Not me just intrigued by this thread and where its going

Ok manufacturer here, in your first post you use the word interrogate, i need to understand the context of this word before i will answer. Your answer to this question is critical in me actually understanding the point. So interrogate what exactly, and why is the question specifically about detection devices? There are many other devices that are wireless and that can operate with an alarm system. (not just intruder, there are numerous types of alarm as i am sure you are aware)

We like trouble at BSIA, I and others like a bit of disruption, make for interesting meetings, and gets things done, the old ways have to change, and so do the people involved the EU is going to stop all this national requirements nonsense and I for one fully support it

Nothing to do with ACPO, BS8243 was mainly written by installers & inspectorates, we have always had code and fob as an option as it is more secure. If you want to get involved join the BSIA and get your voice heard.

What? Can't be arsed to read this thread properly just back from IFSEC

WTF just went and had me tea and the worlds blown up, all i said was iFSEC is moving

At least you got the beer, and i am sure you enjoyed it on the way home

TBH for us it is great, we deal all over the world now, and IFSEC is cheaper to meet all of our overseas customers than getting on aeroplanes, and most of them come over, I like it to put faces to names like I did with some of the guys on here a couple of years ago, so come on guys, last IFSEC in Brum get your buts down to our stand and grab a free beer.

That's part of the reason i suspect, but mainly for EU visitors, i wonder what Brum will be like this year

see here http://www.securityworldhotel.com/int/news.asp?tp=1&id=63085&nm=1&NewsDate=12-02-2013

Works for me