Working at height regs

[Guest anguscanplay]

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Health and Safety

Executive

Safe use of ladders

and stepladders

An employers

[camerabloke]

hse say footed to be as a last resort

[Guest anguscanplay]

hse say footed to be as a last resort

they missed a trick there it would have been a good job creation scheme for all the 16 year old school leavers - stood holding ladders instead of holding up the local off licence

[secboy]

Any one who has been on a risk assessment competancy course will know that;

A risk assessment is designed to give a person about to carry out work or a person incharge or responsible for others carrying out work a platform to assess the risk of harm that may come to the persons working or third parties who may come to harm while the work is carried out in the way chosen.(it is not meant to stop the work being done but to ensure that the most appropriate means is used to limit the risk of an incident taking place and the severity of injury from the incident!!!!! you may have to read this a couple of times to get the gist!!.

If the nationally approved 5 points method is used then the assessment goes like this;

Taking the usual method to work on a camera mounted at 40 feet on the side of a building as being leaning over the edge holding with one hand on the loose brick work the likelyhood of an accident would be high at five.

The severity of the accident (falling 40 feet onto concrete below would be five.

Multiply FIVE BY FIVE=25.

NO--YOU CANNOT DO THE JOB THIS WAY AS THE RISK OF DEATH IS TO HIGH.

So given acceptable costs etc how can this figure be lowered.

Use of cherry picker with IPATH trained operator

Likelyhood of incident with correct use and signage / roping off =2

Severity of accident if harness used etc= 2

Multiply two by two=4

This has suddenly dropped well below the TEN rating which is the level acceptable as a risk with out neccessarily needing to be reduced further if cost would be inhibitive.

Apply this to a tree cutter and his usual method would be to lean a ladder against the branch he wants to cut off AT 30 FEET above spiked railings.

Risk of incident FIVE

Severity of injury FIVE

Multiply five by five=25

NO

Cherry picker is impractical due to access

Climbing ropes used by trained persons with signage and area roped off to public means risk becomes

Likelihood 2

Severity of injury is still quite high at 4

Multiply TWO BY FOUR=EIGHT

This is under the ten mark and if no other means can be used it would be acceptable to use this method

Hope that helps to explain how it works guys.

Regards

Paul.

[Cubit]

Any one who has been on a risk assessment competancy course will know that;

A risk assessment is designed to give a person about to carry out work or a person incharge or responsible for others carrying out work a platform to assess the risk of harm that may come to the persons working or third parties who may come to harm while the work is carried out in the way chosen.(it is not meant to stop the work being done but to ensure that the most appropriate means is used to limit the risk of an incident taking place and the severity of injury from the incident!!!!! you may have to read this a couple of times to get the gist!!.

If the nationally approved 5 points method is used then the assessment goes like this;

What Nationally approved 5 point method???

[secboy]

What Nationally approved 5 point method???

Thats what they teach you when trained by approved trainer ie BRITISH SAFETY COUNCIL

[arfur mo]

Yet another topic being dragged down to the gutter, of course if we delete all the inapropriate comments we will be being heavy handed.

What does the public see? think about it.

i disagree Colin,

in discussions there is always latitude for humour and some decent banter is part and parcel of life. imo such exaggerations often help illuminate or illustrate a point of view in a discussion like this. lets face it, if we want dower strict discussion with draconian rules we'd all go to bible classes where nobody ague's with their moderator

nobody is being disrespectful or insulting and the thread is staying within bounds imo

regs

alan

[arfur mo]

Hi Guys,

lets admit it's tricky to fit a siren using only one hand, and tbh pretty dangerous as you might drop it. so i wonder if the 'three points' rule would be covered if you used a waste harness like the type telecom guys use up the telegraph poles?

whats you view?

regs

alan

edit

just though no remarks about the scenery

[Cubit]

Thats what they teach you when trained by approved trainer ie BRITISH SAFETY COUNCIL

So its a methodolgy then? In this case as used by the British Safety Council. No doubt a useful one but still open to interpretation. IE, sie rules state no ladders, then thats it, no ladders

[Guest anguscanplay]

So its a methodolgy then? In this case as used by the British Safety Council. No doubt a useful one but still open to interpretation. IE, sie rules state no ladders, then thats it, no ladders

hey look its my old friend INTERPRETATION again