secboy Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 So its a methodolgy then? In this case as used by the British Safety Council. No doubt a useful one but still open to interpretation. IE, sie rules state no ladders, then thats it, no ladders Yes thats nearly right cubit but not so much what BSC teach and only them but what they teach as a standard along with many others,as you have pointed out as such there is no set in concrete standard used as a yard stick for methodolgy which is a bit stupid to me but there you go thats how it is at the moment but if you read thru the method I've explained its a good base from which to operate and makes sense of a system designed to protect people not to stop a job being carried out. And yes again site rules if stricter than regs take presidense over regs so if no ladders no ladders no steps no steps but the alternative has to be passed on to the customer if it costs more than ladders so the customer can inforce as tight a control as it likes but it will have to pay for it ! Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quasar Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 quasar tell me what is a " brief period of time " -for me its twenty minutesis that a typo or does it say no typo. I just copy/pasted H&S guide for me "brief period of time" is just enough to service/fit a bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateurandy Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 i wonder if the 'three points' rule would be covered if you used a waste harness like the type telecom guys use up the telegraph poles? In principle it sounds a useful idea, BUT of course those poles (and we've loads here - both power and phone are overhead) are designed for harness use - footrests in place, strong points for harness mounting, etc. That said, the electric people use cherrypickers anyway, but BT (Openreach now I guess) do seem to like their harnesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 is that not what comes out the toliet after having a clear out??? no, it's what comes out of me when the ladder has a little 'settlement' moment regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 In principle it sounds a useful idea, BUT of course those poles (and we've loads here - both power and phone are overhead) are designed for harness use - footrests in place, strong points for harness mounting, etc.That said, the electric people use cherrypickers anyway, but BT (Openreach now I guess) do seem to like their harnesses i'd say the ladder has the footrests element, so if your attached the a waist belt to the ladder, i'd assume then you could work legitimately hands free? mind you, in my time have had ladder's hit several times by cars, and twice by invalid chairs while i was aloft, and yes with cones and warning signs set out, so the thought of being tied to the ladder is a bit unsettling. i also know of at least 3 ceiling fitters who have walked backwards of the manual scaffold towers regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 i'd say the ladder has the footrests element, so if your attached the a waist belt to the ladder, i'd assume then you could work legitimately hands free?mind you, in my time have had ladder's hit several times by cars, and twice by invalid chairs while i was aloft, and yes with cones and warning signs set out, so the thought of being tied to the ladder is a bit unsettling. i also know of at least 3 ceiling fitters who have walked backwards of the manual scaffold towers regs alan See, there is a use for sky hooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 no typo. I just copy/pasted H&S guidefor me "brief period of time" is just enough to service/fit a bell 2. no lone working on a ladder + footing the ladder The options for securing a ladder are as follows: ... where this is not practical, use a safe, unsecured ladder or a ladder supplemented with an effective ladder stability device ... if this is not possible, then securely wedge the ladder, eg against a wall; if none of the above can be achieved, foot the ladder. Footing is the last resort and should be avoided i meant that bit highlighted - see it says i can use a unsecured ladder so if they contradict themselves ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 2. no lone working on a ladder + footing the ladderThe options for securing a ladder are as follows: ... where this is not practical, use a safe, unsecured ladder or a ladder supplemented with an effective ladder stability device ... if this is not possible, then securely wedge the ladder, eg against a wall; if none of the above can be achieved, foot the ladder. Footing is the last resort and should be avoided i meant that bit highlighted - see it says i can use a unsecured ladder so if they contradict themselves ? They don't fall from a great height when driving a desk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 lunched in kfc today with the wife and kids -theres a sparky with his head inside the top of one of the ovens - live - steps positioned sidewards and deep fat fryer behind him got quite irate when i started telling him it was all wrong lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 lunched in kfc today with the wife and kids -theres a sparky with his head inside the top of one of the ovens - live - steps positioned sidewards and deep fat fryer behind himgot quite irate when i started telling him it was all wrong lol Just proves i was right when i tell the kids that you don't know what sh*** they serve up in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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