james.wilson Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 hours ago, MrHappy said: nah, you stick a new bell up... & just use the sub's code to clear the tamper If the banner text still read "Happy Alarm Co." too bad Its a shame but the original programmer/co keeps the liability. Its something I want to change because it should be the incoming co/person. Unfortunately it isnt. Panels that allow code defaults are a liability. However i know how it looks but check your policy because you arnt fully insured they chase the one that is. If thats you oops Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, james.wilson said: Its a shame but the original programmer/co keeps the liability. Its just a case of proving it, I ain't going to have any records of jobs lost due to GDPR ? Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, james.wilson said: Its a shame but the original programmer/co keeps the liability. Its something I want to change because it should be the incoming co/person. Unfortunately it isnt. Panels that allow code defaults are a liability. However i know how it looks but check your policy because you arnt fully insured they chase the one that is. If thats you oops I don't get this Your incoming and previous company is liable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, al-yeti said: I don't get this Your incoming and previous company is liable? If you did the last programming then the person yes person not co that did that is the one. One would assume no support contract or expired you cant be liable You need to 'prove' it. If you last 'programmed' it your liable. If new co didnt change the 'programming' then whoever last did carries the liability. Bear in mind its not the client you will have an issue with its the insurer. The client wont care because everyone is insured to include this. Unless you reset just the codes and left the old maintainer with all the liability Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 Keep a look on what you actually insured for or Do it properly, default the system fully and take it on. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I don't see how you can prove any liability in that way. So if the panel is pre-programmed the manufacturer is liable...? If the customer changes their own code that is a programming change...? It is should a grey area surely. The last person to work on the system yes but last to touch the programming would be hard to prove? There are genuine but rare situations that codes only is useful for your own stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imnotshankled Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 In all fairness I don't mind when a panel is engineer locked and when you try to default it defaults the user code only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said: I don't see how you can prove any liability in that way. So if the panel is pre-programmed the manufacturer is liable...? If the customer changes their own code that is a programming change...? It is should a grey area surely. The last person to work on the system yes but last to touch the programming would be hard to prove? There are genuine but rare situations that codes only is useful for your own stuff. re manufacture yes that is why they have defaults. Its the same on intruder and fire, set defaults. If you 6wb program something unfortunately you are liable for it. You may have done it right at the time, maybe 12 years ago, but if anyone inherits your programming thats what they did. Your programming, your issue. Its the way it is today. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 Just now, Imnotshankled said: In all fairness I don't mind when a panel is engineer locked and when you try to default it defaults the user code only IMO anyone you doesnt program lock (engineer lock isnt the right word)their config will have an issue and so will their insurer. However the programming is the IP of the programmer. The equipment etc belongs to whoever purchased it Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 6 hours ago, james.wilson said: IMO anyone you doesnt program lock (engineer lock isnt the right word)their config will have an issue and so will their insurer. However the programming is the IP of the programmer. The equipment etc belongs to whoever purchased it Great , so lock all panels and no one can prove who locked it and how the programming was done last or by who Seeing as hkc doesn't have a back door , unless you know of one (barring being connected to securecom and know your remote code not exactly a back door tho) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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