James R Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Hi all, is there a staple gun that will fix into masonry? Electric or not- from what I've seen even the battery staple guns can't do it... Any one have any recommendations? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, James R said: Hi all, is there a staple gun that will fix into masonry? what colour horse are you getting ? Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James R Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, MrHappy said: what colour horse are you getting ? I see - good one - just wondered if such a tool existed - personally, bit of cable tray or mt2 - im not John Wayne, however, I make girls walk like him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imnotshankled Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, MrHappy said: what colour horse are you getting ? No this horse is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James R Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Imnotshankled said: No this horse is better Make alarms great again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Maybe a spit gun but not staples... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James R Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said: Maybe a spit gun but not staples... Not one of those f-ckers that make you jump on-site everytime they go off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 If its for fixing cables in a fire proof way etc then yes spit nailer. You can get hardened nails for the battery mailers but I've never tried them Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 As I understand it they are moving towards cabling being at least LSZH and not allowing plastic containment to be used in the next amendment of BS7671. Not only due to failing of containment/fixings during a fire but due to toxic fumes and poor vision when trying to escape. I mention this for those using YT2 galv support clips. I think there is still room for innovation in fire proof fixings for all surfaces, unfortunately cheapest options always win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James R Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 6 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said: As I understand it they are moving towards cabling being at least LSZH and not allowing plastic containment to be used in the next amendment of BS7671. Not only due to failing of containment/fixings during a fire but due to toxic fumes and poor vision when trying to escape. I mention this for those using YT2 galv support clips. I think there is still room for innovation in fire proof fixings for all surfaces, unfortunately cheapest options always win. Never used low smoke b/a cable. We would go low smoke for all other cables in commercial installs t+e, flexes etc.. . I suppose bs7671 covers elv systems or does it? Those regs can be very vague. Like the look of those fire clips where you just drill a hole and hit em In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 It's the wiring regs, covers any wiring up to LV. I don't think they aim to be vague they aim to be concise and clear. One issue I do have is all these standards are set for good practices and safety reasons, cost decent money to buy but they refer to so many other regs in each other you would be bankrupt if you bought everyone that is referenced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James R Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said: It's the wiring regs, covers any wiring up to LV. I don't think they aim to be vague they aim to be concise and clear. One issue I do have is all these standards are set for good practices and safety reasons, cost decent money to buy but they refer to so many other regs in each other you would be bankrupt if you bought everyone that is referenced. I refer to regs only to follow the changes-- the big ones recently being fire resistant fixings for all surface mtd cabling in or out of non metal containment in commercial installs, afdds which I still don't fully get. There's some car charger stuff. Would you use lsf b/a cable on a commercial install even if not specced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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