ElecTech 5 Posted January 5, 2016 How if at all do you get away with installing an optex IR beam within a premises linked onto a grade 3 intruder alarm? I'm hoping to install the SL-350QDM as an added extra across a series of long roller shutters. It already has two contacts either side on all shutters but the customer has asked for additional protection due to the chance of cutting through. I presume it doesn't comply as I've seen nothing in the data sheet to suggest otherwise. I have read something similar that it can be done but cant trigger a confirmed activation? Any help will do! http://www.optex-europe.com/products/optex/185-sl-350qdm/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james.wilson 559 Posted January 5, 2016 it needs to have a backtamper on the beam. Quote securitywarehouse https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9651 12 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) thought there wasn't such a thing? Ie g3 active beam (could be wrong) What about elephant catchers down the Roller shutters? We would normally contact the doors like you have, then have a DT across each one. Edited January 5, 2016 by 9651 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElecTech 5 Posted January 5, 2016 I dont believe there is one... I kind of pre guessed before posting but needed confirmation (whey)... Yeah I think I may have a look down that route, surprising nothing is out there though, suppose the demand isn't there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeterJames 462 Posted January 5, 2016 I couldnt see any mention of grading Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUSTER 5 Posted January 5, 2016 The Optex beams are grade 3 Quote Any comments / opinions posted are my opinion only and do not represent those of my employer or Company Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nova-Security 91 Posted January 5, 2016 The Optex beams are grade 3 it needs to have a backtamper on the beam. Quote www.nova-security.co.uk www.nsiapproved.co.uk No PMs please unless i know you or you are using this board with your proper name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUSTER 5 Posted January 5, 2016 Where in the regs is that stated Quote Any comments / opinions posted are my opinion only and do not represent those of my employer or Company Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whistle 37 Posted January 5, 2016 At least you can't disable the anti mask on them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james.wilson 559 Posted January 6, 2016 Where in the regs is that statedwhich bit? needs a back tamper for g3 At least you can't disable the anti mask on them yes am on a beam is there Quote securitywarehouse https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElecTech 5 Posted January 6, 2016 This may open a can of worms but..... Is that right as long as the device can and has implemented all the functions that grade 3 require it is then grade 3 compliant? The manufacturer doesn't need it to be signed of by any kind of inspection panel to give it it's grade 3 title? Almost like a manufacture self cert? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james.wilson 559 Posted January 6, 2016 Yes a manufacture can still self cert Quote securitywarehouse https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datadiffusion 489 Posted January 6, 2016 And usually will Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUSTER 5 Posted January 6, 2016 which bit? needs a back tamper for g3 But a G3 shutter contact hasn't got anti-tamper, am I missing something. I am sure I have a document somewhere from Optex stating beams at G3 Quote Any comments / opinions posted are my opinion only and do not represent those of my employer or Company Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datadiffusion 489 Posted January 6, 2016 Isn't that because for contacts you only need front tamper (or, gross case damage in the case of a metal RSD contact) and magnetic interference detection in lieu of a back tamper? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElecTech 5 Posted January 6, 2016 Any ideas why there is an emphasis on the back tamper for a standard door contact but not a roller shutter? Surely its a weakness, and slightly uncomfortable posting why in a public forum! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james.wilson 559 Posted January 6, 2016 But a G3 shutter contact hasn't got anti-tamper, am I missing something. I am sure I have a document somewhere from Optex stating beams at G3 its a sealed unit so not needed Quote securitywarehouse https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElecTech 5 Posted January 7, 2016 Can still be relocated away from the door with a magnet attached? Thought that was the whole point in the back tamper... The magnetic interference wouldn't kick in if the magnet is placed correctly first time round... (shouldn't this topic be in trade due to the potential of overriding a system) I know I'm not trade registered and granted I started the topic but it's gone a bit off track... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
