matthew.brough Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 Even if it dont work its fine providing it listed as a variation That's a bit criminal. Can you imagine if we had that flexibility on intruder? Oh wait, we do. We call it a home automation system. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 My fireman is seething. If he had his way they would be sat in the clink! No probs ill snap away and post. To be fair to T&P it could be just a rogue engineer but that doesn't explain why all the other deviations have been left untouch unless of course the college signed a variation and that will be fine! Dunno. I'm meeting mr health & safety on site in the morning so will soon find out. If they have docs ill scan and post. The system is meant to be L3 but has 9 heads in the whole college! Little afd in the escape routes then! You do find **** like this from time to time. Btw it aint bafe certed and they only got bafe a while ago so its not really bafes place as it is before there accreditation Bafe guy turns up and panel is upside down. Goes to mark down and then sees theres a variation! Ive always wanted to put one upside down and for the boss to walk in would be well funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 Little afd in the escape routes then!You do find **** like this from time to time.Btw it aint bafe certed and they only got bafe a while ago so its not really bafes place as it is before there accreditation Gets better. Didn't know that was allowed. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 What not to bafe cert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 To be fair if and I mean if its listed as a variation then its the clients call not the firm. There is a lot of potential unknowns and 'if' the firm made the client aware it was probably cos it was going to cost the client huge £ and they decided against. I've got stuff that is non compliant on fire, offered the choice of fixing it and they decline and sign the disclaimer. I have no issue with this as its not my look out to do it for free. Tell them correctly and openly and then its down to them. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 What not to bafe cert? I don't know the details as was chatting with my fire guy over tea. Will post tomorrow all the gory details and pictures. To be fair if and I mean if its listed as a variation then its the clients call not the firm. There is a lot of potential unknowns and 'if' the firm made the client aware it was probably cos it was going to cost the client huge £ and they decided against. I've got stuff that is non compliant on fire, offered the choice of fixing it and they decline and sign the disclaimer. I have no issue with this as its not my look out to do it for free. Tell them correctly and openly and then its down to them. I know the client paid a decent whack to try and get it resolved before we took over. Once I've seen the paperwork ill get a feel which sides to blame although my gut says as they paid fortunes before and are paying a killing for us to be down here makes me think the clients tried their best to get it fixed. Do you know any principal of a college that would want dodgy fire systems on their site? Let you know tomorrow. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I don't know the details as was chatting with my fire guy over tea. Will post tomorrow all the gory details and pictures. It wont be matt, u said its 5 yrs old. And there website says bafe 2010. To be fair if and I mean if its listed as a variation then its the clients call not the firm. There is a lot of potential unknowns and 'if' the firm made the client aware it was probably cos it was going to cost the client huge £ and they decided against. I've got stuff that is non compliant on fire, offered the choice of fixing it and they decline and sign the disclaimer. I have no issue with this as its not my look out to do it for free. Tell them correctly and openly and then its down to them. Nothing wrong with this. You comment on 4 core sndr Were u refering to having 2 sndr ccts in one cable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Â Once I've seen the paperwork ill get a feel which sides to blame you already have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Oddly says on fire page their the only company to have gained sp203 part 3 maintenence. We achieved all modules for bafe 2 years before them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 You comment on 4 core sndr Were u refering to having 2 sndr ccts in one cable? yes that was my thought securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 yes that was my thought Thought so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Todays investigations haven't helped me sleeping well at night . . . Â Â www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 appears to be a master class in how not to junction FP, Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul. Giles Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Now i know why wholesalers look at me blank when i ask for porcelain connectors. Â Seems no fooker uses them! Â Dont know how far you go with this especially being fire? Â Best put lids back on and get the inspectorates in? Â Although i dont see an issue with no glands fitted to certain entry points? We have done this many times especially when coming out of trunking to the device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Pic 5,6 &7 are the same pic. Cant see anything wrong with pic 9 & 11. We used to interweave sounders 20 years ago. Its blatently a poor practice, 4 core is pretty much for class change and the likes these days. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Cant see anything wrong with pic 9 & 11.unless I'm doing it wrong the joints should be Metal Box, Porcelain connectors, Fire resistant cables Glanded entry Labeled "Fire Alarm" Its recently I learned than "plastic choc blocks" can be used in devices Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 unless I'm doing it wrong the joints should be Metal Box, Porcelain connectors, Fire resistant cables Glanded entry Labeled "Fire Alarm" Its recently I learned than "plastic choc blocks" can be used in devices Pic 9 and 11 are behind and within the device. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Pic 9 and 11 are behind and within the device.not sure which no.s are which photo's but can only see a device (hochiki base) in one pic, (apart from MCP which is not 9 or 11) is 11 the pic with 4 core passing though the back of besa box? (anybody know how to quote matt's pictures ?) Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 not sure which no.s are which photo's but can only see a device (hochiki base) in one pic, (apart from MCP which is not 9 or 11)is 11 the pic with 4 core passing though the back of besa box?(anybody know how to quote matt's pictures ?)Sorry the pictures have jpg nos. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Just hover over the pics. Yes you can use nylon blocks in devices but as H states, needs to be metal box and fire proof connectors if not. Even B&Q have them. I think the label isnt a major problem but you would label anyway if its your box. If those joints had proper bloc it would be ok. It looks like a mix of pyro and fp /tuf so im guessing its been added to for the last few decades. Id be wary of addressable on pyro though i thought the capacitance caused problems. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Just hover over the pics.pah, old board software was much nicer Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 .No cant quote pics. Would have to download and reupload it appears. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Just hover over the pics. Id be wary of addressable on pyro though i thought the capacitance caused problems. Get to Fck! You burglar alarm filter! Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 lol That just made me think of father jack of father ted. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Just hover over the pics. Yes you can use nylon blocks in devices but as H states, needs to be metal box and fire proof connectors if not. Even B&Q have them. I think the label isnt a major problem but you would label anyway if its your box. If those joints had proper bloc it would be ok. It looks like a mix of pyro and fp /tuf so im guessing its been added to for the last few decades. Id be wary of addressable on pyro though i thought the capacitance caused problems. Correct it is an older building. Rather than maintain a loop it has radial tagged to radials choc blocked to 6 more radials and has joints just choc blocked and stuffed into a false wall to cover it up. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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