cream2cream Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 I would start by waking up! I am the king of cheap on this site but £1.300 for a fully spec'd, installed, set-up and IE connected system is far to cheap. By the sounds of your replies and arrogance to peoples replies (who all mostly qualified professionals) you clearly have the money to spend but don't want to be ripped off - same as any person. ebay is a not true reflection of the total cost of securing a dwelling. Even if you did buy from ebay, I'm sure you would still require an engineer to install and set it all up? If not, you seem to know to know what is best, how to set up the porting on your router, so, maybe you should crack on and buy your surveillance system with paypal. Don't take this the wrong way but my personal feeling is; you'd be more trouble than your worth as a client, especially for a Grand! You shouldnt judge people so quickly, i doubt you are more of a king of cheapness than myself, im new on here but not new to cheapness, id be the first to admit! do you think i have time to waste asking for advice then not wanting it!!! I cant believe you keep on battering on abt ebay, i only used that example as its the first place the average (me) man looks for a quick guide on items, if someone has sold 0000's you tend to think they r doing something right! Im a perfect customer; pays on time (CASH READY IN POCKET), always comes back for repeat business and to top it off listerns to advice!!! There is no question of securing the site, believe me why the scumbag/s is stealing items from outside because they know once inside they might lose a limb or two, im only looking for cameras to record the scums face stealing my parts, not to shot movies with doubt i'ii have prob's installing it if the instructions are there, as reparing the cars i do are not one's ur average garage would even think abt breaking for parts let alone repairing dont take it personally but it seems your reluctant to give out advice which might save someone money thanks I would start by contacting your insurance company, they may wish to send out a risk assessor and from that set recommendations, if met they may give a discount. They may tell you no discount is available but worth a shot. You also seemed to be mostly interested in the outside (rather than inside) the building so I will concentrate on that. Personally I would group the most valuable items in a specific area and if possible put physical security measures to protect that area (if they cannot get at them they cannot steal them) while covering with cameras and lighting also. It would give a much more focused area for cameras to achieve the results you are looking for. Careful planning will save you money, the area in question is quite large with multiple angles of attack, reduce the area of main concern and you will get better results, cheaper. With a plan in place, get quotes, while it is difficult (and not professional) to second guess fellow professionals especially without doing a site visit, you could ensure they give detailed lists of what is being supplied and opinions can be offered on the equipment. Also ask for reference sites they have done that may be similar to yours, if agreeable, a demonstration may give you a better idea of what you will get for your money - ebay maybe cheap (and tat most of it) it cannot offer that level of service or peace of mind. Hello, i think your getting the wrong point, im not interested in protecting the building as believe me thats already protected, and most ppl know abt it hence why parts r being robbed frm outide, ONLY want to protect whats left outside, my cars and catch the scumbag/s who nicks bit and bobs off them, so we can deal with them ourselves if the local bobbies dont do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalwitness Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 You obviously have not read my post, you asked for advice and you got it, at least take the time to read it, otherwise push off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Hello, i think your getting the wrong point, im not interested in protecting the building as believe me thats already protected, and most ppl know abt it hence why parts r being robbed frm outide, ONLY want to protect whats left outside, my cars and catch the scumbag/s who nicks bit and bobs off them, so we can deal with them ourselves if the local bobbies dont do Dont forget to let us know how you get on, I am sure the cameras on ebay will do exactly what you need, and if they dont you havent wasted that much money have you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 What area are you? Maybe someone on here can quote for the job? Re the set up; it's not a case of instructions for port forwarding and it's nothing like setting up a web site. I'll be the first to admit it's a pain in the rear end if you don't know what your doing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 What area are you? Maybe someone on here can quote for the job? Re the set up; it's not a case of instructions for port forwarding and it's nothing like setting up a web site. I'll be the first to admit it's a pain in the rear end if you don't know what your doing!! I bet no body wants to quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cream2cream Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 Dont forget to let us know how you get on, I am sure the cameras on ebay will do exactly what you need, and if they dont you havent wasted that much money have you ? Well im waiting until the other cpys give me quotes next week, shame i'ii have to try and figure questions to ask them, as no one wants to offer any advice I bet no body wants to quote. why not What area are you? Maybe someone on here can quote for the job? Re the set up; it's not a case of instructions for port forwarding and it's nothing like setting up a web site. I'll be the first to admit it's a pain in the rear end if you don't know what your doing!! the warehouse is in north cambs area, cant reveal exact location for obvious reasons, as the only ppl who know im there are the one's i tell, its not the place you can easily come across whilst out on the travels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 cream The reason i feel some would be reluctant to quote is that you may be looking for a design from that then buy the same gear or what you think is etc. However back on topic Personally if i were doing your design, id be wanting to know what you want to achieve. From that we could discuss the options and ball park budgets. If your employing an expert the questions should be coming from them the expert not the other way around. You cant compare it to repairing a car as that is like repairing a damaged system that is existing. You want a new system. However you have stated you want to achieve facial recognition. As i have said before this is difficult with a static PAL (old style analogue) due to the low resolution. As i have said to achieve this you need 120% screen height of your 1.7m target. To keep things simple lets assume 100%. a PAL dvr will record a max vertical res of 576 pixels. The units you have used as reference will not do this and will probably only record at 288 vertical without other issues. But if we say 576 then that means that a single camera can protect 1.7m vertically. That is a small area when trying to protect externally. If you think when you are watching football on your 42" plasma if it wasnt for the huge numbers on their back you wouldnt really recognise them from a wide shot. and id assume your plasma is worth more than the dvr your looking at. Also the camera used will be worth well over £50 etc etc. But if you look at megapixel cctv say even a lowly 2MP cam. That will give you a vertical res of 1200 pixels. So you can go 2 - 3 times as wide and still get the detail of a std PAL camera. Goto 4 or 5 megapixel then... well you get the idea. But a decent 5 MP camera will be a lot more expensive than a chinese so called 'sony' pal camera. You will also need a high end NVR to record these things. Bit rate as well as framerate are important here. But as with engines you cant beat size. We have just installed a 12 Tb recorder but even this wouldnt last long with 4, 5 megapixel cams running at 3-7 fps. What you want to achieve isnt going to happen with the type of kit and budget your talking about. By all means buy the thing that has sold thousands (why people think this means its any good is beyond me but still) and then you will see what some of us are on about. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cream2cream Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 cream The reason i feel some would be reluctant to quote is that you may be looking for a design from that then buy the same gear or what you think is etc. THIS LAUGABLE, so your to scared to give any advice because you think i'ii go and do it myself? so indicating the setting up of the cctv is simple for anyone with common sense? If anyone asked myself how to repair a car i'ii gladly give advice BUT i know for a FACT it would b useless as they still wouldnt be able to repair the sort of cars i buy due to extensive heavy damage hence why pick them up at the prices we do!!! However back on topic Personally if i were doing your design, id be wanting to know what you want to achieve. I want 3 cameras' to catch the thief scumbag nicking my parts, nothing else; cant be simple than that, dont want dvd quality pic's just good enough to make out the thief's face/ clothes etc... we already have a good idea who it is, been at the site for 3yrs and this is first time its happened due to no of new tramp benefits type ppl moving not to far from the area From that we could discuss the options and ball park budgets. If your employing an expert the questions should be coming from them the expert not the other way around. Im a listerner You cant compare it to repairing a car as that is like repairing a damaged system that is existing. You want a new system. I know i cant because repairing cars especially the one's i do, is on a different level to slapping a few camera up with wiring, ppl or shoudl i say the "old timers" used to tell me jigging a car is like brain surgery, funny that i started to repair cars within a few weeks of buying one to autolign standard; this is what sets your local so called "approved insurance garage" to the proper not blag repairers. However you have stated you want to achieve facial recognition. As i have said before this is difficult with a static PAL (old style analogue) due to the low resolution. As i have said to achieve this you need 120% screen height of your 1.7m target. To keep things simple lets assume 100%. a PAL dvr will record a max vertical res of 576 pixels. The units you have used as reference will not do this and will probably only record at 288 vertical without other issues. But if we say 576 then that means that a single camera can protect 1.7m vertically. That is a small area when trying to protect externally. I want to protect the size of a car so 20ft by 12 ft wide If you think when you are watching football on your 42" plasma if it wasnt for the huge numbers on their back you wouldnt really recognise them from a wide shot. and id assume your plasma is worth more than the dvr your looking at. Also the camera used will be worth well over £50 etc etc. But if you look at megapixel cctv say even a lowly 2MP cam. That will give you a vertical res of 1200 pixels. So you can go 2 - 3 times as wide and still get the detail of a std PAL camera. Goto 4 or 5 megapixel then... well you get the idea.But a decent 5 MP camera will be a lot more expensive than a chinese so called 'sony' pal camera. You will also need a high end NVR to record these things. Bit rate as well as framerate are important here. But as with engines you cant beat size. We have just installed a 12 Tb recorder but even this wouldnt last long with 4, 5 megapixel cams running at 3-7 fps. What you want to achieve isnt going to happen with the type of kit and budget your talking about. By all means buy the thing that has sold thousands (why people think this means its any good is beyond me but still) and then you will see what some of us are on about. Isnt it common sense that if something sells in 0000's its usually better than the item which has sold 10-20? what do u think of; a sony camera 480 tvl with a 3.6 9mm lense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalwitness Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How do you seriously expect to get any more help with your attitude? You have been given advice but you refuse to accept or even read it. Your ebay seller has not sold 0000's, I showed you how to check. You have been given reasonable advice with regards to the outside of your building (not inside) You have been ignorant, arrogant and very dismissive of the advice given - how did you ever learn how to fix cars with that attitude or did you know it all already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cream2cream Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 How do you seriously expect to get any more help with your attitude? You have been given advice but you refuse to accept or even read it. Your ebay seller has not sold 0000's, I showed you how to check. You have been given reasonable advice with regards to the outside of your building (not inside) You have been ignorant, arrogant and very dismissive of the advice given - how did you ever learn how to fix cars with that attitude or did you know it all already? i only need for the cctv to cover the area of the car, the chance of someone breaking through the wall is impossible unless they turned up witha jcb and rammed the wall to get rhough, then they'll hit a very strong XXXXXXX, its only the cars im concerned about i learnt by using my common sense & initiative , im the first to admit i know very little, but when u buy a car for £700 worth £6k with a nice heavy front smash u learn urself to repair or earn no money then go homeless with no food i currently have a audi a2 never repaired one in my short salvage life frontend ripped off , built the whole frontend up, engine was off mounts/ aircon pump/starter/ intercooler/ pas pump all bashed off hence the cheap price of the car, its a tdi with 56k miles so worth alot ive learnt usin common sense how to repair it, aluminium chassis if u know them cars cant believe ur getting annoyed because someone is questioning or picking at some of the replies, there is nothing wrong with it, only trying to get advice,nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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