cream2cream Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 Doubt he is buying them of ebay, if it was a pro company you contacted most likely buying from a recognized distributor in the UK, and whats wrong with £1300 sounds perfectly reasonable to me, if anything it's a bit too cheap! He said they were unbranded so automatically thought there off ebay as there all from chine on there, e.g. a sony chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cream2cream Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 1300 sounds cheap but it depends on the gear, quality of the installer what approvals they have, quality of support etc. What is it you sell then? I'd also say that with the tone of your replies you don't need our advice, I hope I'm misreading them. James Yeah the company said they give a 2yr warranty, my main business is repairing heavy smashed salvage cars but due to mkt crashing were breaking them as some cars are worth more in parts, especially if your selling parts abroad e.g. you can get £6k for a complete clio v6 engine to a buyer in eastern europe !!! im defo needing advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 had a phone quote this morning, from some "professional cctv company" = joker. Phone quoted me £1300 yes ONE THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED UK POUNDS for some wire/ 4 camera's and a recorder LOL Asked if the system would be quality branded make like sony, came out with it has a "sony chip" but made by a company sony own LOL then after a further 10minutes of asking came out with "its made in japan", so he's most likely buying the one's off ebay and shifting them to unsuspecting punters like myself, what a scum well lets see the a 19" tft, boxed psu, 4 x vandel dome + 4 way 1tb & s50 drum of shotgun would cost me £817.50+vat I'd want 20% + £40 for extension lead tie & clips & signage, + 1.5 days meaning £1321.00 +vat (£1585.20) Thats the stockist own korean stuff, might be dear to the fleabayer but its what I'd class as cheap Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 i sell 0000's of uk pounds worth of parts over the nbet so im well aware how to use a laptop If your replying to "if the internet viewing is required an your not great with computing" Just because you can use a laptop, this has no bearing on computing. Much the same as just because you can drive a car, doesn't mean you can fix a car. I have known people who work in IT look at me blankly upon mentioning "port forwarding". Please bear in mind it's really not just the case of pluging stuff together. There's a lot of setting up, testing and programming. Get it wrong and your wasting time and money. As for your quote, it sounds too good a price for good stuff. Really he should have come out and properly surveyed the site. As for the link to ebay... Don't be under the impression 480TVL is "Hi Spec" or "massive" it's not. 3.6mm fixed lens means you will only get a general view for monitoring, no adjustment and very unlikely indentification of people @ 20ft high. Take a good look at the screenshots on the "view live over the internet", ignore the other lower "live" pictures as there obviously fake. There is sort of quality you'll be recording and they look like there mounted at 10 ft high, I think that's very poor and I've fitted 100's of systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 We would charge around 2k for a 4 camera system giving basic surveillance. Last time I checked our vans don't get serviced and repaired for peanuts! Funny, last one we did was a garage, 3 cameras £2300 + vat. I guess he has a better business as he didn't bat an eyelid. well lets see the a 19" tft, boxed psu, 4 x vandel dome + 4 way 1tb & s50 drum of shotgun would cost me £817.50+vat I'd want 20% + £40 for extension lead tie & clips & signage, + 1.5 days meaning £1321.00 +vat (£1585.20) Thats the stockist own korean stuff, might be dear to the fleabayer but its what I'd class as cheap People like you make me sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cream2cream Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 If your replying to "if the internet viewing is required an your not great with computing" Just because you can use a laptop, this has no bearing on computing. Much the same as just because you can drive a car, doesn't mean you can fix a car. I have known people who work in IT look at me blankly upon mentioning "port forwarding". Please bear in mind it's really not just the case of pluging stuff together. There's a lot of setting up, testing and programming. Get it wrong and your wasting time and money. As for your quote, it sounds too good a price for good stuff. Really he should have come out and properly surveyed the site. As for the link to ebay... Don't be under the impression 480TVL is "Hi Spec" or "massive" it's not. 3.6mm fixed lens means you will only get a general view for monitoring, no adjustment and very unlikely indentification of people @ 20ft high. Take a good look at the screenshots on the "view live over the internet", ignore the other lower "live" pictures as there obviously fake. There is sort of quality you'll be recording and they look like there mounted at 10 ft high, I think that's very poor and I've fitted 100's of systems. hello check my site; www.bluechipspares.co.uk should b ready in a few weeks, im no computer boff but ive been able to design a site with minor help of a programmer no the chap just gave the price over the phone, ive got another company coming out next week, what questions should i ask them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 People like you make me sick TBH I'd expect to be too dear ! Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cream2cream Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 Yep thats the one, your looking at his feedback score, that does not mean he sold 0000's of DVRs, maybe 50 DVR and 0000's of BNCs, or sweets! Go to goofbay and look it up yourself. It amuses me that you take the word of an ebay seller but not that of a professional Installer that you (I presume) picked out of the Yellow pages or somewhere. yeah i just looked in yellow pages and picked people who were at the top, 99.9% of them are too busy and will b coming next week, Back to the question at hand - looks like an impressive operation (or building at least), really you could waste £500 pound in a heart beat on ebay, if the stuff you are selling 0000's of pounds worth of stuff surely £1,300 is not that big an investment. There maybe other ways you can get that investment to have a lower overall cost, e.g. contact your insurance company to see if a discount would be available if you install CCTV - they will probably insist on a proper installer. I should send u pic's of inside we've got 00,000's £k worth of state of the art pallet racking to house all the parts, e.g. custom built bays for the bonnets and car panels so they dont get damaged taken me 7 months sorting it out to what it is now, the building is great the centre what we'll start on next You have a flood light at the center on the front of the building, if on this can have the effect of only seeing on the bright area with little or no peripheral detail, i.e. the camera may adjust to suit the brightest part and darken the other areas despite being within the view of the camera. Light or the lack of it is going to be one of your biggest problems, ignore the specs that say 30meters IR, besides having to vector in the height, etc. these claims are often well overstated and only in ideal conditions (who knows what they are). Due to the cable runs you have to be aware of power issues, especially with IR cameras and plug and play cables with the kits is not likely to be long enough or good enough. The best advice I could give you is to get a professional company to do a site visit and assessment (this is usual free) but if you are determined to do this for £500 your on your own and don't waste their time. im planning to spend a few g's but always like to start off small and work the price down, as if you say to a company youve got a budget of 5k they will take the full 5k from you!!! is it possible for you to give me a list of pro questions to ask the companies coming out next week, so i can catch out the cowboys trying to pull a fast one thankyou We would charge around 2k for a 4 camera system giving basic surveillance. Last time I checked our vans don't get serviced and repaired for peanuts! Funny, last one we did was a garage, 3 cameras £2300 + vat. I guess he has a better business as he didn't bat an eyelid. PLEASE DONT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS MR, you dont know my full set up and i doubt there are many who can break cars to more than there worth and repair the sort of cars i can anyway back to the security advice p.s. my storage site is larger than most main dealers' sites People like you make me sick i know its one of my habits paying peanuts BUT charging top dollar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalwitness Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I would start by contacting your insurance company, they may wish to send out a risk assessor and from that set recommendations, if met they may give a discount. They may tell you no discount is available but worth a shot. You also seemed to be mostly interested in the outside (rather than inside) the building so I will concentrate on that. Personally I would group the most valuable items in a specific area and if possible put physical security measures to protect that area (if they cannot get at them they cannot steal them) while covering with cameras and lighting also. It would give a much more focused area for cameras to achieve the results you are looking for. Careful planning will save you money, the area in question is quite large with multiple angles of attack, reduce the area of main concern and you will get better results, cheaper. With a plan in place, get quotes, while it is difficult (and not professional) to second guess fellow professionals especially without doing a site visit, you could ensure they give detailed lists of what is being supplied and opinions can be offered on the equipment. Also ask for reference sites they have done that may be similar to yours, if agreeable, a demonstration may give you a better idea of what you will get for your money - ebay maybe cheap (and tat most of it) it cannot offer that level of service or peace of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I would start by waking up! I am the king of cheap on this site but £1.300 for a fully spec'd, installed, set-up and IE connected system is far to cheap. By the sounds of your replies and arrogance to peoples replies (who all mostly qualified professionals) you clearly have the money to spend but don't want to be ripped off - same as any person. ebay is a not true reflection of the total cost of securing a dwelling. Even if you did buy from ebay, I'm sure you would still require an engineer to install and set it all up? If not, you seem to know to know what is best, how to set up the porting on your router, so, maybe you should crack on and buy your surveillance system with paypal. Don't take this the wrong way but my personal feeling is; you'd be more trouble than your worth as a client, especially for a Grand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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