Specialist Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 MarkMcindoe, Firstly.. hello mate. When you installed the panel did you over tighten any of the screw terminals that the alarm wiring connects to? The screw terminals are weak and I know from past experience that over tightening them can cause either the solder join or the pin that goes from the screw terminal through the pc board solder join to break, causing an intermittent fault. You can sometimes check this with freezer spray for an electronic components merchant. With the panel lid open, Hold the panel tamper spring/s down and get an accomplice to set the alarm using an external keypad (if fitted) else you can do it yourself at the panel keypad. Now once the alarm system has set, give all the screw terminals, tamper switches and their soldered joints on the panel a good squirt of freezer spray. If you get get your tamper fault back again while the terminals or solder joints are frozen.. you may well have found the fault. Dont go to heavy on any tamper switch with the freezer spray though because that can cause false triggering. Remember metal expands and contracts with temperature... that includes springs in tamper switches. Being a qualified (but ex) electronics engineer (C&G 2240 - 2243) I have used freezer spray to find many these kind of faults in the past. Now an alarm engineer for past 16 years, the highest number of times I have been called out to tamper faults whether the alarm was set or unset was almost always caused by the tamper switch in the bell box... and it has always been Pyronix bells!! Ian. Hi Ian: Bit confused by your reference to Faulty Pyronix bells as I can't see where the O/P told us what sounder was used, also don't understand why you appear to have had so many problems with Pyronix bells. I've been a Pyronix installer for over 10 years now & in all that time have only had to repair / replace 1 of them due to a faulty bell. Andy Customers Love us, Intruders Hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjax Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Hello Specialist mate. I was trained with Pyronix equipment from the day I first started the job in 1992-ish. I am not knocking Pyronix... I liked Pyronix alarm systems. They were easy to program and very user friendly. The main gripe I had with Pyronix panels... The Conquorer, Paragon E, Paragon + and Sterling 10.. was the CHIME! you can only use chime if it was an e/e zone. None of the other zones could be programmed as chime. I had to get around that problem in other ways... The other 'pain in the ****' was that end-of-line resistor thing... was it called 'Octagon?' I know Pyronix never create that system, they brought it from another company.. They probably got it from ADE cos it looked like one of their systems lol. The Octagon was always suffering from false alarms. Even a guy using his radio in his TAXI could set the alarm off! the other problem I had - and still do! is the Pyronix detectors... The lense always seems to go brittle and the Pyro sensor can't see thru it. On every maintenance I did I always used to tap the pir lense with a hadle of a screw driver.. If I made a hole or a crack in the lense I knew it was knackered... This only happened on the 'new' white coloured lenses. The older lense was a kind of 'see thru' lense. It looked like polythene - kind of semi opaque. I never had a problem with those lenses... Maybe it is still the same now? The only Pyronix equipment I use at the moment is the VOCALISER... Still the best dialer I have come across. When I have wired up the two outputs to custemers lighting circuits and I stand across the road and turn their lights on and off with my mobile phone.. Great fun! I cant knock the Vocaliser. Brilliant bit of equipment. Sadly Pyronix bells always gave me tamper problems... In the winter when it was really cold or in the summer when it was really hot... The tamper micro-switch always complained by sounding the bell and I was called out. I stopped using Pyronix bells because of the tamper switch problem. Still used their other equipment though. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 The main gripe I had with Pyronix panels... I despise there panels..... Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 quote name='MrHappy' timestamp='1282375365' post='249518'] I despise there panels..... hmm yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I used mAny pyronix pirs back when i first started up, and tbf they caused no probs, also used the unique vocaliser whivh were fine, mever voild remmrmber the programming and if the client omly had dect phones then your stuffed. Never liked the panels or sirens either, looks were naff and build quality imo very poor, then you had to register jut to talk tol tech was the end of it for me Arfuru If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Hi Ian: Have to speak as I find, the dealer I used to do service for had over 200 Pyronix systems out (Usually in the most horrible places on earth) & over the years I only ever replaced 1 Sterling 10 panel & 1 bell, had a couple where we had problems with keypads (Icon & LCD mixed on an install), detectors we had a couple go down & as you say on some the lenses used to go weird but on most systems he used texecom detectors not Pyronix. Don't know how you saw it but i used to find it was usually in a room where there was a Gas fire or heating boiler or if they were heavy smokers. Most of the problems I had with his systems were the cr*p way they were installed, you know the tape joint under carpet brigade. Never had any problem with only having chime on e/e routes, it's only supposed to warn of someone opening the door & i hate the facility anyway. Now if you really want junk try the old Avanti panels. Andy Customers Love us, Intruders Hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 What don't you like about the avanti panels? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 What don't you like about the avanti panels? Hi James: Simply too cramped & way too flimsy especially the keypads. Customers Love us, Intruders Hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 never used one, but wondered. I thought they were like the old ade stuff securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 never used one, but wondered. I thought they were like the old ade stuff No Mate: They were a small & cramped panel with not enough room to get the zone wiring in properly & deffo no room for a decent size battery. Onboard keypad was pretty flimsy & god help you if the customer was a bit Hamfisted, remote keypad was'nt much better either. Having said that they did actually work so that was a bonus. Andy Customers Love us, Intruders Hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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