hpotter Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Cheaper to buy your own drives. Dependent on kit, buy unit with smallest hard Drive then just add the extra capacity yourself. Ahh, now i see where James is coming from. There's me thinking (reading other thread) it was AG who's the cheapskate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistle Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Try pricing a 1tb drive from Norbain. Then check the same drive price at dabs.com. You are looking at big price difference. We have upgraded loads of Hdd's in old Jpeg machines. I have also ordered xeno dvrs with no hdd's fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 Thats basicaly what im getting at. Do most have the skills / want to fit your own drive. There are many reasons for and against. For Cost can choose brand and warranty of drive etc can use enterprise or consumer drives easy then to change when they fail. ALso the HD and the PSU are the 2 most likly things to fail. Allows service replacement onsite Cons, warranty issues ie you have to diagnose the drive issue yourself, can be a skills issue at some places Incompatibilty, not all drives are equal etc We have always thought (well i have lol) that its better to have the drive supplied and fitted. But now im not so sure, for instance i hate with a passion maxtor drives. Wouldnt use em in anything. Bit seagate ES.2 Fan however. So id use them securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystemQ Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Thats basicaly what im getting at. Do most have the skills / want to fit your own drive. There are many reasons for and against. For Cost can choose brand and warranty of drive etc can use enterprise or consumer drives easy then to change when they fail. ALso the HD and the PSU are the 2 most likly things to fail. Allows service replacement onsite Cons, warranty issues ie you have to diagnose the drive issue yourself, can be a skills issue at some places Incompatibilty, not all drives are equal etc We have always thought (well i have lol) that its better to have the drive supplied and fitted. But now im not so sure, for instance i hate with a passion maxtor drives. Wouldnt use em in anything. Bit seagate ES.2 Fan however. So id use them System Q Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Huh? Me off to specsavers... ....again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystemQ Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Thats basicaly what im getting at. Do most have the skills / want to fit your own drive. There are many reasons for and against. For Cost can choose brand and warranty of drive etc can use enterprise or consumer drives easy then to change when they fail. ALso the HD and the PSU are the 2 most likly things to fail. Allows service replacement onsite Cons, warranty issues ie you have to diagnose the drive issue yourself, can be a skills issue at some places Incompatibilty, not all drives are equal etc We have always thought (well i have lol) that its better to have the drive supplied and fitted. But now im not so sure, for instance i hate with a passion maxtor drives. Wouldnt use em in anything. Bit seagate ES.2 Fan however. So id use them I agree with James in the fact the HD is the weakest element in a DVR. It's a mechanical part that still fails because of the fact mechanical items wear out! In 3 years time I would be surprised if solid state drives were not an affordable option for DVRs. Paul. System Q Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I agree with James in the fact the HD is the weakest element in a DVR. It's a mechanical part that still fails because of the fact mechanical items wear out! In 3 years time I would be surprised if solid state drives were not an affordable option for DVRs. Paul. i think apart from cost these have their own issues to, seem to remember reading they are not all they were cracked up to be, but can't recall why is it not thre case most will buy drives on price, then they get domestic product not industrial server grade drives. with drives bought OEM, has anyone ever tried to get it replaced under the makers warranty? i have so i wish you the very best of luck, but by form the DVR supplier installed and save the hassle imo. suggest do the maths, if you/i have intermittent issues on say 5% of installs, the time spent diagnosing and ther returning and then reinstalling - why bother? Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 i think apart from cost these have their own issues to, seem to remember reading they are not all they were cracked up to be, but can't recall why Think you been watching click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 paul id be supried if ssd were mainstream. because of their cost and wear out rate. if we had an affordable ssd at say 1TB then for the same money we will have 10TB mechanical. storage demands will masivly increase as higher res formats become more popular IMHO securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystemQ Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 paul id be supried if ssd were mainstream. because of their cost and wear out rate. if we had an affordable ssd at say 1TB then for the same money we will have 10TB mechanical. storage demands will masivly increase as higher res formats become more popular IMHO Hi James. When I wrote the reply I had a debate in my own head that if SSD's became more main stream would the HDD's simply fight back with more capacity for the same money? Sure they would just like CRT manufactures fought back with lower prices when people started to by Flat screens. Not many people still buying CRTs still even when the picture quality and value for money is better than LCDs. Don't get me wrong though, I placed my bet on 3 years down the road before we may see the competition between SSD and HDDs, agreed it could be longer say 5 years but I really think it will come and sooner than we all think. There will be a “tipping point” with SSD that give huge advances in storage capacity, cost and reliability and when this “tipping point” occurs huge resources will be put in to producing them and they will become mainstream rapidly. The big driving force for this technology IMO will be what many people have in their pocket today, the mobile phone. The next generation of phones will be mobile video entertainment units with a big emphasis on TV and video straight to a phone causing low cost, low power and high capacity solid state devices to undergo further manufacturing and developing booms because not only will people want to watch the video on their phones they will want to store it and record it. Paul. System Q Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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