As this topic often crops up please vote and give us your opinion.
As it is in the public forum (so non trade can see for themselves what the engineers really think) no comments are allowed, just votes.
I'll pop a poll in the trade area if eng's want to discuss their respective merits.
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Posted 31 August 2005 - 06:55 PM
Service Engineer and all round nice bloke :-)
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Posted 15 June 2006 - 09:56 AM
I am not an engineer, so I wont vote.
I fitted a wireless system into my home. It cost £600, so was not the cheapest alternative. The system is an Infinite.
It has worked well enough without failure for 18 months, but I have never quite trusted it. At times it can seem slow to respond.
I am in the process of replacing it with a hardwired Texecom Premier system. I prefer to trust my valuables and family to a well-known hardwired brand of alarm system.
I fitted a wireless system into my home. It cost £600, so was not the cheapest alternative. The system is an Infinite.
It has worked well enough without failure for 18 months, but I have never quite trusted it. At times it can seem slow to respond.
I am in the process of replacing it with a hardwired Texecom Premier system. I prefer to trust my valuables and family to a well-known hardwired brand of alarm system.
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Posted 15 June 2006 - 10:32 AM
Jeff C, on Jun 15 2006, 12:56 PM, said:
I am not an engineer, so I wont vote.
I fitted a wireless system into my home. It cost £600, so was not the cheapest alternative. The system is an Infinite.
It has worked well enough without failure for 18 months, but I have never quite trusted it. At times it can seem slow to respond.
I am in the process of replacing it with a hardwired Texecom Premier system. I prefer to trust my valuables and family to a well-known hardwired brand of alarm system.
I fitted a wireless system into my home. It cost £600, so was not the cheapest alternative. The system is an Infinite.
It has worked well enough without failure for 18 months, but I have never quite trusted it. At times it can seem slow to respond.
I am in the process of replacing it with a hardwired Texecom Premier system. I prefer to trust my valuables and family to a well-known hardwired brand of alarm system.
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Posted 15 June 2006 - 02:59 PM
I use Scantronic, no problems to report!
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 10:49 AM
Is there a similar poll for wired systems?
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 12:14 PM
I'm not an engineer.
In my experience, wireless is not worth the hassle, but to be honest, i've only used 1 wireless system, so i could be biased? But if they're selling it, no matter what price, it should do what it's supposed to! I purchased a Wireless Micromark System, which can be found in Argos, for around £150.
In my experience with the alarm, it sets itself off randomly, even when its not armed! I got in contact with Micromark and they told me to fiddle with the jumpers to disable "anti-jamming" which was something to do with, if someone was trying to JAM the frequency it would go off. Anyways, so i disabled the anti-jamming, and it still set its self off! That was enough! So i went back to Argos and said the product was faulty, so they replaced it with the same alarm. This newer one did the exact same thing! I even got new batteries.
I got in contact with Micromark again, and they more than happily replaced my alarm system with a newer "firmwire" model, which they believed people had been having problems with. This is the one im using now, the newer one. I was away on holiday 3 weeks back, and a neighbour rang me to tell me the alarm had gone off... I hadn't even armed it, because a friend was staying at my house! I had to ask my neighbour to disable the alarm (though it wasn't even on) to stop it from sounding!
I give up, so i'm going back to Wired Alarms! No problems @ ALL!!
In my experience, wireless is not worth the hassle, but to be honest, i've only used 1 wireless system, so i could be biased? But if they're selling it, no matter what price, it should do what it's supposed to! I purchased a Wireless Micromark System, which can be found in Argos, for around £150.
In my experience with the alarm, it sets itself off randomly, even when its not armed! I got in contact with Micromark and they told me to fiddle with the jumpers to disable "anti-jamming" which was something to do with, if someone was trying to JAM the frequency it would go off. Anyways, so i disabled the anti-jamming, and it still set its self off! That was enough! So i went back to Argos and said the product was faulty, so they replaced it with the same alarm. This newer one did the exact same thing! I even got new batteries.
I got in contact with Micromark again, and they more than happily replaced my alarm system with a newer "firmwire" model, which they believed people had been having problems with. This is the one im using now, the newer one. I was away on holiday 3 weeks back, and a neighbour rang me to tell me the alarm had gone off... I hadn't even armed it, because a friend was staying at my house! I had to ask my neighbour to disable the alarm (though it wasn't even on) to stop it from sounding!
I give up, so i'm going back to Wired Alarms! No problems @ ALL!!
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 06:10 PM
bellman, on Aug 31 2005, 06:55 PM, said:
no comments are allowed,just votes.
....as tempting as it is to reply
Zak Tankel - Managing Director - Security First (UK) - www.securityfirst.uk.com
Disclaimer: Any comments or opinions expressed by me are my own as a member of the public and not of my employer or Company.
Disclaimer: Any comments or opinions expressed by me are my own as a member of the public and not of my employer or Company.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 07:24 PM
Doesn't the 1st post contradict itself a little..?
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As this topic often crops up please vote and give us your opinion.
As it is in the public forum (so non trade can see for themselves what the engineers really think) no comments are allowed, just votes.
As it is in the public forum (so non trade can see for themselves what the engineers really think) no comments are allowed, just votes.
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Dave Partridge (Romec Service Engineer)
Dave Partridge (Romec Service Engineer)
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 12:06 AM
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 10:53 AM
Service Engineer, on Nov 14 2006, 07:24 PM, said:
Doesn't the 1st post contradict itself a little..?
He obviously meant that by voting you will be giving your opinion
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 09:07 PM
I'm going to rebel and write anyway...
A couple of weeks back I was sent to install an Infinite Wireless jobby, 5 PIRS, 2 smoke detectors and 3 contacts. I had NO previous experience in this system before but from an installers point of view it was a piece of cake once I had read the Engineer manual. All worked a treat, but I would never want something like that in my own home. A couple of points I didn't like about it were...
1) The panel battery back up was a battery similar to what you would find in a cordless telephone.
2) The external sounder had a transformer to feed it, which was a plug in Job.
The amount of RF interference does make me question the reliabilty of wireless,Hardwired all the way!!
A couple of weeks back I was sent to install an Infinite Wireless jobby, 5 PIRS, 2 smoke detectors and 3 contacts. I had NO previous experience in this system before but from an installers point of view it was a piece of cake once I had read the Engineer manual. All worked a treat, but I would never want something like that in my own home. A couple of points I didn't like about it were...
1) The panel battery back up was a battery similar to what you would find in a cordless telephone.
2) The external sounder had a transformer to feed it, which was a plug in Job.
The amount of RF interference does make me question the reliabilty of wireless,Hardwired all the way!!
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 01:17 PM
bellman, on Aug 31 2005, 07:55 PM, said:
As this topic often crops up please vote and give us your opinion.
As it is in the public forum (so non trade can see for themselves what the engineers really think) no comments are allowed, just votes.
I'll pop a poll in the trade area if eng's want to discuss their respective merits.
Regards
Bellman
As it is in the public forum (so non trade can see for themselves what the engineers really think) no comments are allowed, just votes.
I'll pop a poll in the trade area if eng's want to discuss their respective merits.
Regards
Bellman
where can i get a wireless dummy box
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 03:44 PM
i got loads, 50 quid each
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 01:34 PM
It is very rare for wireless alarm system to be interfered, even though it is possible to jam the airwave rendering it useless (saying that there are so many ways to tamper with any wired/wireless alarm if intruder have knowledge of the system).
If you have a system that seemed interfered, its more likely caused by other issues such as:
1) Setup or sensor placed incorrectly.
2) Trigger delayed by the built-in sleep timer to extend battery life
3) Out of range and hence the signal reach receiver sporadically.
If you have a system that seemed interfered, its more likely caused by other issues such as:
1) Setup or sensor placed incorrectly.
2) Trigger delayed by the built-in sleep timer to extend battery life
3) Out of range and hence the signal reach receiver sporadically.
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Posted 17 February 2008 - 08:59 AM
I've installed and maintained many Eurosec CPX systems and found them to be very reliable as long as they have been set up in the correct manor RE: Receiver noise/ Noise Threshold / RSSI and sensor sleep time.
As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 08:21 PM
When are all you dinosaurs going to wake up and smell the coffee???????? wireless is the way to go and all you old timers are going to be left behind by all the new young blood that understand the new technology and grasp it with both hands.
Wires are in the past and with the cost of copper cable @ the moment its the best place for it, come on guys get a grip and learn how to fit it then you wont be getting the problems i know you are all going to back with, if something is fitted incorrectly then your going to have problems, wire free that is fitted correctly will give you years and years of trouble free reliable service.
I have fitted over 400 wireless systems made by Visonic I fit in 1/2 a day leaving me the other 1/2 to service systems, now Visonic also have a wirefree bell box the hardest longest part of the install if the spur, the systems are programmed up the day before so if there are any problem its sorted before i get to site so unlike your WIRED systems i do not have to spend time with the meter looking for faults.
Anyway maybe you should stick to your WIRES and let the young guys like me clean up with the new trusted wireless systems installed in less than a day while you old guys crawl in the loft for a day trying to get a cable to the bell.
Good luck with your knees in your old age.
Wires are in the past and with the cost of copper cable @ the moment its the best place for it, come on guys get a grip and learn how to fit it then you wont be getting the problems i know you are all going to back with, if something is fitted incorrectly then your going to have problems, wire free that is fitted correctly will give you years and years of trouble free reliable service.
I have fitted over 400 wireless systems made by Visonic I fit in 1/2 a day leaving me the other 1/2 to service systems, now Visonic also have a wirefree bell box the hardest longest part of the install if the spur, the systems are programmed up the day before so if there are any problem its sorted before i get to site so unlike your WIRED systems i do not have to spend time with the meter looking for faults.
Anyway maybe you should stick to your WIRES and let the young guys like me clean up with the new trusted wireless systems installed in less than a day while you old guys crawl in the loft for a day trying to get a cable to the bell.
Good luck with your knees in your old age.
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wi5alarms, on Mar 5 2008, 08:21 PM, said:
When are all you dinosaurs going to wake up and smell the coffee???????? wireless is the way to go and all you old timers are going to be left behind by all the new young blood that understand the new technology and grasp it with both hands.
Wires are in the past and with the cost of copper cable @ the moment its the best place for it, come on guys get a grip and learn how to fit it then you wont be getting the problems i know you are all going to back with, if something is fitted incorrectly then your going to have problems, wire free that is fitted correctly will give you years and years of trouble free reliable service.
I have fitted over 400 wireless systems made by Visonic I fit in 1/2 a day leaving me the other 1/2 to service systems, now Visonic also have a wirefree bell box the hardest longest part of the install if the spur, the systems are programmed up the day before so if there are any problem its sorted before i get to site so unlike your WIRED systems i do not have to spend time with the meter looking for faults.
Anyway maybe you should stick to your WIRES and let the young guys like me clean up with the new trusted wireless systems installed in less than a day while you old guys crawl in the loft for a day trying to get a cable to the bell.
Good luck with your knees in your old age.
Wires are in the past and with the cost of copper cable @ the moment its the best place for it, come on guys get a grip and learn how to fit it then you wont be getting the problems i know you are all going to back with, if something is fitted incorrectly then your going to have problems, wire free that is fitted correctly will give you years and years of trouble free reliable service.
I have fitted over 400 wireless systems made by Visonic I fit in 1/2 a day leaving me the other 1/2 to service systems, now Visonic also have a wirefree bell box the hardest longest part of the install if the spur, the systems are programmed up the day before so if there are any problem its sorted before i get to site so unlike your WIRED systems i do not have to spend time with the meter looking for faults.
Anyway maybe you should stick to your WIRES and let the young guys like me clean up with the new trusted wireless systems installed in less than a day while you old guys crawl in the loft for a day trying to get a cable to the bell.
Good luck with your knees in your old age.
whats your average zone RSSI with the visonic equipment?
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 09:25 PM
I may agree with some of your thoughts, but in regard to the reliability of hardwired compared to wireless. Hardwired gets my vote, simply because of the information that travels between the detection cct and control panel, it is more reliable. EG. I have a keyboard where the keys are individually switched, (not a membrane) it cost me a little more but I get a more +ve response from the keyboard than i did from a wireless KB, all key presses were seen as opposed to 5% loss on wireless. Obviously hardwired systems are prone to induction and the problem of having to install a systems in a domestic situation where you cant lift boards may warrant a wireless system. I have installed many wireless systems and find them to be very reliable but not as reliable as a hardwired.
As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 09:30 PM
Agreed, but as the nature of a wire free system it is designed to controlled via the remote key fob which in my own personal view is a lot customer friendly then using a keypad.
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