Guest Guest_Bill_* Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 It's possible to arrange for a flush sensor to be invisible but the installer says that "it's against regulations guv", or words to that effect. I would like to solve the problem by engineering rather than referring to regulations. Particularly if, as I suspect, the regulations don't exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteey Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Well the regs DO exist, but if you say you can install a contact so that its invisible then tell your jobsworth to either fit a flush contact or risk not getting paid, im sure he'll buck up his ideas. Mark Hawks Ex BT Openreach Field Service Now Self employed telecom and data engineer www.mphtelecom.co.uk Also back doing sub contract work in the security industry. Retained firefighter Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian c Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I don't know for sure the regs on this matter, but I'd be extremely surprised if you can't fit flush contacts to outward opening doors. Although, as Alarmgard said, it can be compromised. A surface contact would be the best bet. Surface and flush can both have problems with moisture ingress, flush contacts more so. If you don't know......ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova-Security Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Well a lot of doors i come across just have plates on the sides that the lock hook mechanism slides into thus allowing a flush contact to be installed in between. As to the 10 year guarantee claim, fair enough but im sure upvc arent the only ones covered, how many metal/wood doors do you drill without giving a second thought to any guarantee 37684[/snapback] Agree with Monteey, we try and always use flush a better job. How many double glazing companies are still in buisness in ten years, around Manchester they dont seem to be trading that long, then suprise suprise let set up again in the same nuilding, same telephone number, same staff and same vans, i think this is the normal trick to get out of the 10year guarantee. www.nova-security.co.uk www.nsiapproved.co.uk No PMs please unless i know you or you are using this board with your proper name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breff Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 If its an outward opening wooden door it should have a surface contact for 2 reasons. 1 it will be exposed to the elements and WILL corrode. 2 a bar magnet can be slid in the gap and the door opened without the contact activating. However, we have installed flush contacts when the customer has insisted but have always made them sign a waiver relinquishing us of responsibility for faults or non activations. The opinions I express are mine and are usually correct! (Except when I'm wrong)(which I'm not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteey Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 1 it will be exposed to the elements and WILL corrode. No it wont unless the door isnt sealed properly, what utter nonsense Mark Hawks Ex BT Openreach Field Service Now Self employed telecom and data engineer www.mphtelecom.co.uk Also back doing sub contract work in the security industry. Retained firefighter Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 No it wont unless the door isnt sealed properly, what utter nonsense 37726[/snapback] Outward opening remember, the seal is on the inside of the flush contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian c Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Why are we still slagging each other off?! All contacts to all external doors are susceptible to the ingress of moisture. This will lead to corrosion. Unless they are sealed contacts. If you don't know......ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteey Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Why are we still slagging each other off?! Noones slagging anyone off, we're just airing differing views Mark Hawks Ex BT Openreach Field Service Now Self employed telecom and data engineer www.mphtelecom.co.uk Also back doing sub contract work in the security industry. Retained firefighter Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian.cant Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 however if you cant your installer is a lazy git A classic example of what i mean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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