2 hours ago, alarmcom said:

There are a few examples above of what I and it appears others feel are not being done correctly. Your quite keen for an EXACT or PRECISE statement are you a Kraut?

Sort them out Chris man 

7 hours ago, PeterJames said:

What importance does my nationality bear on this conversation.? I am trying to understand what you think is wrong with the standards  

That's an easier q without the kraut attitude. It's to complicated! Why do the UK need to have their own interpretation? My responce is because the enforced standard (used lightly) doesn't work. Take option x for example, doesn't exist outside the UK. Then grading 1-4 and 4 isn't doable? ATS is so complicated we changed it to grades without consent but to make it useable. Then we have plug tops and no tampers and and and. It would be foolish to believe that the EN route is simple, to me it's about overcomplicated bureaucratic rules forced upon a country that has a perfectly historic working system of engineering solutions to real world problems and documenting them in simple to understand system called British Standards, an institution that has led the engineering world since early 1900s. Everyone is cheating the new EN because they are trying to give an engineered solution with their hands tied. Look at the CE mark. This is forcing commercial decisions where manufacturers and installers are buying outside the UK and certificating (assembled in the UK). Clearly this topic is to large for this forum and my only hope is that the whole agenda of EN standards in all industries be addressed once we are away from the dictatorship of Europe. Did you know Scotland has its own regs for many things. I mention this because thete are differences at local level that have to be honoured to make things work.

Yours sincerely 

Not just another brick in the wall.

16 hours ago, alarmcom said:

That's an easier q without the kraut attitude. It's to complicated! Why do the UK need to have their own interpretation? My responce is because the enforced standard (used lightly) doesn't work. Take option x for example, doesn't exist outside the UK. Then grading 1-4 and 4 isn't doable? ATS is so complicated we changed it to grades without consent but to make it useable. Then we have plug tops and no tampers and and and. It would be foolish to believe that the EN route is simple, to me it's about overcomplicated bureaucratic rules forced upon a country that has a perfectly historic working system of engineering solutions to real world problems and documenting them in simple to understand system called British Standards, an institution that has led the engineering world since early 1900s. Everyone is cheating the new EN because they are trying to give an engineered solution with their hands tied. Look at the CE mark. This is forcing commercial decisions where manufacturers and installers are buying outside the UK and certificating (assembled in the UK). Clearly this topic is to large for this forum and my only hope is that the whole agenda of EN standards in all industries be addressed once we are away from the dictatorship of Europe. Did you know Scotland has its own regs for many things. I mention this because thete are differences at local level that have to be honoured to make things work.

Yours sincerely 

Not just another brick in the wall.

So do you think that 4737 was better or worse ?

3 hours ago, PeterJames said:

So do you think that 4737 was better or worse ?

As with most things there's good and bad. So my answers would be both. We now have an opportunity to take the best of both.

14 hours ago, alarmcom said:

As with most things there's good and bad. So my answers would be both. We now have an opportunity to take the best of both.

Not sure it will work the way you think it will, there are humans involved

2 hours ago, PeterJames said:

Not sure it will work the way you think it will, there are humans involved

Of course

seriously things change and nothing is perfect, never will be.

 

Just have to be careful of what you wish for.

26 minutes ago, secureiam said:

seriously things change and nothing is perfect, never will be.

 

 

Things do change,sometimes for better sometimes for worse, and it was already not perfect but it was never unworkable, which was my point.  

workable is good enough but always want better.

There is room for improvement on everything but as you said nothing is perfect and never will be