July 5, 201411 yr comment_388218 Well yes!...cat5 is for cat5 applications, 8 core alarm cable is for 8 core alarm cable applications, Why else would there be different cable types?. Sadly, a point beyond the grasp of more than the OP Rich. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388218 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388242 Sadly, a point beyond the grasp of more than the OP Rich. I don't think anyone said it was the 'correct' cable, just that it isn't the cable type that's causing tamper or O/C problems. I've learned so much from my mistakes, I'm thinking of making a few more.. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388242 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388261 It could still very much be the cable type causing O/C problems, seen it a hundred times on DIY / carp installations. The copper can quite easily break underneath the insulation esp. if its CCA tat. So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388261 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388264 I don't think anyone said it was the 'correct' cable, just that it isn't the cable type that's causing tamper or O/C problems.never said they did and never said it was.Simply alluding to the fact it happens more than it should. That said, the propeies of that cable means you can't say it isn't the cause - without testing. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388264 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388270 never said they did and never said it was. Simply alluding to the fact it happens more than it should. That said, the propeies of that cable means you can't say it isn't the cause - without testing. My apologies, I thought perhaps you were alluding to my post. I'm always tectchy when I'm due on Agree completely with the testing aspect, which is why I tried to direct OP down that avenue. It could still very much be the cable type causing O/C problems, seen it a hundred times on DIY / carp installations. The copper can quite easily break underneath the insulation esp. if its CCA tat. Then I apologise to the OP for misinforming him. I'm afraid I'm new to this game, with a mere 26 years experience, and, whilst I have come across many cat5 an TP installations (especially back in the days of BT and even Modern using it regularly) I can probably count on one hand ones where the cable broke just from being bent round a bend or into a CP, and those were due to other factors in play, not just bent cable. I have, I concede, seen many where the copper has broken due to bending/scoring at termination or where the external sheath has been stripped and the internal sheath has been scored, usually due to a ham fisted attemp at termination with poor tools and skills, (again also seen in poor quality alarm cable terminations), the reason I told OP to check all his terminations. I have also seen broken cables where excessive force has been used when the cable is pulled in, although, to be fair this is equally likely to happen whether it be cat5 or alarm cable. The point I was trying to get across was that rewiring the whole system in alarm cable would not remedy the faults OP is experiencing. The cables need to be tested to find the fault, and just rewiring it won't solve his problems. However now that I stand corrected, I suggest OP pulls all of the cat5 out and rewires it, as is, in 6 or 8 core, muli strand, .22mm, tinned copper cable. We can then guarantee that all of the existing tamper and OC faults will dissapear.. I've learned so much from my mistakes, I'm thinking of making a few more.. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388270 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388272 It would certainly do no harm to rewire at this early stage. So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388272 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388274 It would certainly do no harm to rewire at this early stage. Agreed. Could use some swa for the keypad www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388274 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388276 Surely 40mm welding wire?! So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388276 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388277 Agreed. Could use some swa for the keypad Cowboy.You know full well that 4mm t&e is the recommended cable of true professionals on here. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388277 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
July 5, 201411 yr comment_388281 In a ring to avoid volt drop www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/36991-cooper-menvier-9651/page/3/#findComment-388281 Share on other sites Share on LinkedIn Share on X Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share via email Share on Pinterest More sharing options... Share this post
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