GalaxyGuy Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 What, using a phone ? Just take a look at Honeywell in the US markets. I know the US market is a different kettle of fish, but do you think that the big security/manufacturing companies will turn away the opportunity for recurring revenue from connected systems? Some of the newer systems are blowing the cobwebs off the older tech, and in my humble opinion, about time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Some of the newer systems are blowing the cobwebs off the older tech, and in my humble opinion, about time too. does your phone read prox tags...... Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyGuy Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 does your phone read prox tags...... No, it itself is the radio token. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It needs to be done carefully yo comply in the EU. ie is the phone graded. Does it become portable ace or a keypad in this case. Id agree it needs embracing and i would also want to use my phone. Not for arming, but for logs, is it set etc etc. I can use my phone to control my telly, heating etc but i tend to use the IR remote and the thermostat. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichL Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Id agree it needs embracing and i would also want to use my phone. Not for arming, but for logs, is it set etc etc. ^^This. I would'nt want arming/disarming, I suspect that would be a gimick and only used once by most people and be more trouble than its worth. However Id like to have something similar to arc logs on my mobile, but with an extended format from the panel. Originally said by Charles Babbage On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Well my life will only be complete when the iflush app hits the market for the WiFi wc.... Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyGuy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It needs to be done carefully yo comply in the EU. ie is the phone graded. Does it become portable ace or a keypad in this case. I suppose it's an area of ambiguity. Are the PC's that installers use to dial-in to current systems graded ? If audited, is there any way of telling what the remotely connecting device actually is ? If you look at Honeywell's connected offering, you can currently connect with PSTN/GSM/GPRS/Ethernet and set/unset the system. All these current offerings are graded and approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Are the PC's that installers use to dial-in to current systems graded ? No but not used for arming disarming so a different issue. If audited, is there any way of telling what the remotely connecting device actually is ? Yes if setup to If you look at Honeywell's connected offering, you can currently connect with PSTN/GSM/GPRS/Ethernet and set/unset the system. All these current offerings are graded and approved. Only if you have a user code or the remote code is set that way. Installer should not disarm. There is a reg that covers it. Dont get me wrong. Im with you but just cos you can doesnt mean you should. Id agree with status etc but i think remote arming needs use with caution. I get enough issues of people arming system when the building is occupied when they are on site. Imagine the false alarms if this could be done remotly. Also makes your mobile even more valuable to a thief. I like the idea of using nfc for arming etc, but not sure i like the idea of clients being able to do this as standard securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaykay1975 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Thanks for posting all the various comments and opinions. There are many reasons why I want to arm / disarm / monitor my system over the web. Working away from home a fair bit, I like to keep an remote eye on mi casa. I have remote access to my CCTV, I have remote access to switch lights on and off and play music through the home system if needs be... all via my phone / laptop wherever I am in the world. Sure, some might say that’s not going to prevent a burglary, of help me sort out the mess after one, but it all helps me sleep a bit better when I'm not there physically. Unfortunately I don’t have the time to fully automate the house, but to get an e-mail (copied to local friends or family) about what part of my alarm has been activated and at what time, should be possible. My neighbours have a set of keys, but I don’t want them having the alarm details and have to train them on how to use it ... so to be able to disarm and arm remotely would help there. I just feel (from my own research) that the solutions in this particular sector (domestic security) are archaic and the entire sector has been massively slow to move on. The technology is there right now, and available at a very low cost! As long as you can do some very basic wiring for a few sensors / PIR’s etc, you should be able to buy a nice simple (but robust) back end solution to plug them all into.... plug-n-play (seriously!).... web interface to configure your entire set-up with a graphical front end, all complying to highest internet security standards ... It can all be done today. I thought someone on this forum was going to tell me it had already been done. (if not – there certainly has to be a big gap in the market for someone savvy enough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyGuy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 No but not used for arming disarming so a different issue. So, if for example a security department within a company is using Honeywell's Galaxy Gold Etc, they aren't allowed to set and unset remotely with their Windows PC software ? Yes if setup to Any compute device can emulate standard software, so what is actually at the other end of the wire is an unknown entity. It may seem like and be logged by the control panel as a specific entity, but it may be something completely different. Only if you have a user code or the remote code is set that way. Installer should not disarm. There is a reg that covers it. Dont get me wrong. Im with you but just cos you can doesnt mean you should. Id agree with status etc but i think remote arming needs use with caution. I get enough issues of people arming system when the building is occupied when they are on site. Imagine the false alarms if this could be done remotly. Also makes your mobile even more valuable to a thief. I like the idea of using nfc for arming etc, but not sure i like the idea of clients being able to do this as standard I agree with you. Blindly setting and unsetting a system should be avoided. I never really use my phone for that anyway, but it does give me the capability if an SMS or Voice Message comes through telling me than an event has ocurred and I need to take remedial action. On the comment about the phone's value, it really depends on the application specifics. Wouldn't it be easier to just steal someones keys with their prox tag attached, go to their home, unlock the door and swipe the tag against the nearest reader? I suppose it's worth taking their phone too, as it'll probably tell you where their home is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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