Cubit Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I found them to be useless. In the end i had to track down the lever pad handle i wanted myself, ended up getting it from the people who build the doors, they bought direct from Yale. Ah, didn't say talking to them was worthwhile. The website shows you what's out there, unfortunately they are less forthcoming on the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 What is it they say? Self praise is no praise. I stated facts not slf praise, so i suggest get your English lit sorted out before attemping to snipe.with reknowned lack of joined up thinking Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Any good lock firms out there that don't Fleece you? (Prefer to leave em on the sheep) Customers Love us, Intruders Hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I stated facts not slf praise, so i suggest get your English lit sorted out before attemping to snipe.with reknowned lack of joined up thinking Arfur Still talking your usual b0ll0x i see. Arfur the billy big talker, fitting alarms when Noah was building boats. Sadly still stuck in the dark ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 My point was the lock was fitted incorrectly, then the remedial works lacking. Did I mention you in my reply personally? Let me know where I did please. i posted i context, your remark apeard to be side swip at me, if not intended then i accept and appologise, but you have had swipes at me in the past over Chubb locks. Back to the door in question, even more so to move the strike and make the frame stronger than mess up an expensive bit of wood. You say they patched up a solid Beech door.................muppets. making the frame stronger while will would usually be a wise move, this had glazed panels, tbh it was not either my collegues or my remit, and at this stage the client is in no mood to talk to my any of my companies reps, the locky could claim the same as he is locky not a carpenter. Again you try and cast dispersions on my skill set to yours. absolutely no i don't, i clearley said i respect your knowledge in most issues about locks gates etc, suggest you read that again.. Again you assume your better. no, not better just i kow i have far more experience in this particular area I especially like your mention of your visits due to the alarm being faulty due to the lock fitments and yet boast how good Chubb fitters and yourself are/were. Yet all these call outs......................I think I dont have to point out the "shot self in foot syndrome" to anyone. not my 'foot', the existing lock fitments on the door were done by others unknown in the past, i don't know (or actually care) if it were Chubb kit either - it was not Chubb Alarm engineers as far as i know who installed that prior equipment since the house was built - or is it the 'Sins of the Fathers' your claiming? I like the mention of yellow pages,shame we never used them at the time I was with the Locksmiths/Alarm company I trained at. We had no need. i'm truely pleased for you, most J/P's when in a dier need would at that time reach for YP, while some clients would realise the lock was at fault, when the locky appeared they usually backed away from anyting to do with an installed alarm system not o their own, so the alarm co gets the call and makes the remedials, that means the service engineer which i spent a fair chunk of time at, and that was the point. I am glad you "respect" my skill set and in the same sentence try to discredit me. good as i do respect you skills (i would not have recommended you on to my clients in the past) but you don't match my experience dealing with faults on Chubb and other types of locks used fitted to alarm systems for fsault finding. You missed out on several items my "trade" covers. You will of course remember I specialise in security, not play with it whilst fitting a bit of cat5 and telephones it was not meant to be a CV for you, so that remark means what exactely? even you don't list all your skills as for 'playing' so have you run a company at any time? especially one that never advertises but has traded since 1984 i.e. thgrough 3 major depressions all without going bust, losing the house and with no CCJ's, Tax debts or overdue supplier accounts? so no i don't just fit security, i repair, modify, redisign where needed and make it far fsr more reliable and/or suitable so better value, usually after other some other so called dippy 'experts' dier failed efforts. i also happen to design and produce bespoke projects from schematic design through to fully functioning product, my clientel incudes Post Office Counters Plc. amongs others.. i personally hold certification to officially install Molex Premmissed Networks (LANS), which means i use their sockets, cable etc i and warrenty the LAN for 25 years no if's no but's all Molex backed. i have a Psiber LAN CAT5e/6 cable analyaiser that cost £3.5k + VAT, 2 x Fluke 620 testers, several cable tracers. thats not to be swank but so you show i don't exactely 'play' with bits of CAT5, i take it very very seriously just like all my skills and works that earn me a very happy living. just to add, i'm course qualified to fit both Seimens and Panasonic PABX's so any more points you want to discuss while we are 'at this wall'? Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 and warrenty the LAN for 25 years will you be trading or indeed breathing by then Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 will you be trading or indeed breathing by then With his address already in public domain, Billy burglar now knows who's got the biggest toys on the street. You couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Another "off topic" topic lol Its all your fault arf Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Billy burglar now knows who's got the biggest toys on the street. ironic if the lock got booted it......... Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 will you be trading or indeed breathing by then i won't need to be, i could actually fit a LAN today and retire next week and Molex cover the warrenty. their kit comes at a price but wih that backing it is VFM Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oxo Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 To reply to the above. I`m not going to sit here and boast about my achievements over the few meagre years I have been in this industry, specialising in it. Not like you diversifying and having it become a "back burner" trade to supplement earnings. If you feel upset about that comment don`t write an essay with major spelling,dictation and punctuation errors you berate others for. Most here already know the answer and style it will come in. You mention I have "knocked" you in the past over locks, their application and working parts. No I have pointed out your errors and in the above instance the OTHER persons errors. That any competent locksmith would have avoided in the first place and made the property safer with the integration of the lock to the alarm system. Well sorry, I am a Locksmith trained as well as an alarm "engineer". I have done various courses as well so we could chuck quals at each other all night, but to what avail. You continually say your have the better knowledge about locks. Ever trained as a locksmith? Playing with the odd Chubb lock does not make you one, just as paying £500 for a weeks course. Hell you can be a plasterer in 3 days for £700. Get the point here? I have not since rejoining here tried to berate or belittle others with my opinion, what tools I have and how much they are. You will also note I have tried at every turn to get on with you in here, remembering you were one reason I resigned from here before ( amongst another reason that is now history). In fact we have both contacted each other privately over other issues. So why the voracious attacks on the forums. Just accept I made an observation that others have seen and noted as only that. Not a personal attack. I see you apologise for the error and I happily accept this. Now can we leave this where it belongs? I will not waste any more time on this, so regard it as my last comment on the matter. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 With his address already in public domain, Billy burglar now knows who's got the biggest toys on the street. You couldn't make it up. i might be concerned as you - if i were not a very competant security engineer Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 i might be concerned as you - if i were not a very competant security engineer Arfur Really?? Clearly some things just pass you by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 To reply to the above. I`m not going to sit here and boast about my achievements over the few meagre years I have been in this industry, specialising in it. Not like you diversifying and having it become a "back burner" trade to supplement earnings. If you feel upset about that comment don`t write an essay with major spelling,dictation and punctuation errors you berate others for. Most here already know the answer and style it will come in. You mention I have "knocked" you in the past over locks, their application and working parts. No I have pointed out your errors and in the above instance the OTHER persons errors. That any competent locksmith would have avoided in the first place and made the property safer with the integration of the lock to the alarm system. Well sorry, I am a Locksmith trained as well as an alarm "engineer". I have done various courses as well so we could chuck quals at each other all night, but to what avail. You continually say your have the better knowledge about locks. Ever trained as a locksmith? Playing with the odd Chubb lock does not make you one, just as paying £500 for a weeks course. Hell you can be a plasterer in 3 days for £700. Get the point here? I have not since rejoining here tried to berate or belittle others with my opinion, what tools I have and how much they are. You will also note I have tried at every turn to get on with you in here, remembering you were one reason I resigned from here before ( amongst another reason that is now history). In fact we have both contacted each other privately over other issues. So why the voracious attacks on the forums. Just accept I made an observation that others have seen and noted as only that. Not a personal attack. I see you apologise for the error and I happily accept this. Now can we leave this where it belongs? I will not waste any more time on this, so regard it as my last comment on the matter. Regards so you not spending any more time , then go on to write an essay. i simpy answered your 'charges', having been in this trade from age 18 i started with Burgots Alarms on their 'special devision'. that meant working on the very high profil security systems also meant i had to sign the official secrets act. so can't post more. so not just simple domestics, offices and commercials. wheni have i ever claimed to be a locksmith? but i am very competant and extremely experienced in this particular area. when Chubbs wanted into alarms they bought out Burgots and Rely-a-Bell, so i have spent most of the employed time specialising just in alarm systems, on Chubbs t that time you were trade tested, which included lock fitting skills and not simply handed a badge for nice smile within that time installing a lock for final exit (or shunt on earlier kits) was the 'norm' having been done since year dot. so i have installed, serviced, repaired, adjusted, moved countless mortice and surface shunt locks of many differing makes, not just Chubbs as Chubbs had fingers in Ingersole, and i think Brammar. i am now 61, so have spent over 40 years in security systems, so yes i have been around a lot longer than you, having spent far more time than you in my particular trade you being a trained qualified experienced locky while i say agai i respect your ability but in your fields is mostl superior to mine, it don't qualify you in any way to be a competant alarm engineer, any more than someone being a excellent qualifuied endentured plummer, would ever make them a decent washine or tea machine engineer by default, but granted they might have some idea. Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oxo Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 you being a trained qualified experienced locky while i say agai i respect your ability but in your fields is mostl superior to mine, it don't qualify you in any way to be a competant alarm engineer. See again disparaging about another aspect of the trade I SPECIALISE in, go back to 1960 or where ever your mind is stuck. Tell you what your on ignore. At least I will not have to read 5 year old scribbling and someone's self conceited, overrated opinions of themselves. Please feel free to delete my numbers from your phone yours have been already. Goodbye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Our new apprentice has so far... Whilst changing a bell box, thought it was a good idea to cut the wire short and push it back in the hole lol, thank god we were able to a replace the cable Managed to lock the room key in the hotel, whilst we were staying away Fortunately I caught this one just in time, set him a challenge to run a cable - long story short he was about 20 seconds away from drilling a nice 12mm hole through the ceiling... and the flat roof lol He'll get there eventually, he's got a good attitude and that's what matters Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Our new apprentice has so far... Whilst changing a bell box, thought it was a good idea to cut the wire short and push it back in the hole lol, thank god we were able to a replace the cable Managed to lock the room key in the hotel, whilst we were staying away Fortunately I caught this one just in time, set him a challenge to run a cable - long story short he was about 20 seconds away from drilling a nice 12mm hole through the ceiling... and the flat roof lol He'll get there eventually, he's got a good attitude and that's what matters lol, sh!t for brains. how long has he been working at your place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 3 months, he's only 17 Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 lol, not that bad then. I would say cutting the cable was the dumbest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 lol, not that bad then. I would say cutting the cable was the dumbest. Its quite funny thinking back to when it happened Me: "Here's the connections how to wire it up" <5 minutes later> Him: "There's no wire" lol Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Funny you mention apprentices, having fun at the moment... One of our apprentices' managed to topple his ladders and land-on/knock-over a 35 litre fish tank (with fish in) putting a DT up. This was in the reception of a commercial building! Also today our latest starter took 3 1/2 hours to put up a bell box, drilled 15 fixing holes and the bell was still on the slant. Oh, he's trained and passed out of college. You all have to start somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I would sack anyone that did 15 fixings for a bell, non starter. Its quite funny thinking back to when it happened Me: "Here's the connections how to wire it up" <5 minutes later> Him: "There's no wire" lol lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Funny you mention apprentices, having fun at the moment... One of our apprentices' managed to topple his ladders and land-on/knock-over a 35 litre fish tank (with fish in) putting a DT up. This was in the reception of a commercial building! Also today our latest starter took 3 1/2 hours to put up a bell box, drilled 15 fixing holes and the bell was still on the slant. Oh, he's trained and passed out of college. You all have to start somewhere. lol! christ The last proper apprentice related disaster was with a subbie and his apprentice, he was fitting a heat detector in the canteen area, over reached off his steps, they went one he went the other and landed on a £1000+ hotplate smashing all the glass and bending all the framework, customer let them off!? lol Same lad, same job, working in the ladies toilets which has a latch on the door, locks the keys inside so he kicked the door through lol Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I would sack anyone that did 15 fixings for a bell, non starter. I see what you mean, first ever bellbox tho, so we'll see how to next one goes. lol! christ The last proper apprentice related disaster was with a subbie and his apprentice, he was fitting a heat detector in the canteen area, over reached off his steps, they went one he went the other and landed on a £1000+ hotplate smashing all the glass and bending all the framework, customer let them off!? lol Same lad, same job, working in the ladies toilets which has a latch on the door, locks the keys inside so he kicked the door through lol Nice, can't believe they were let off! Fortunately in the fish tank disaster the tank was fine but he spend the rest of the day filling the thing up with a 2 litre coke bottle. The only cost was a dehumidifier for a week and 36 new floor tiles. No fish were harmed in the fitting of this system (written on the top off the paperwork in the panel) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Nice, can't believe they were let off! Fortunately in the fish tank disaster the tank was fine but he spend the rest of the day filling the thing up with a 2 litre coke bottle. The only cost was a dehumidifier for a week and 36 new floor tiles. No fish were harmed in the fitting of this system (written on the top off the paperwork in the panel) lol Apparently they weren't going to use it, they proper kicked off about the door he kicked in though, not surprising really though Were you working with him when it happened? I hope you nicknamed him fishy lol The note on the paperwork is a nice touch Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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