arfur mo Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Audible-only ... with no proper engineer response ... on a pharmacy ... nice one! hi Roger, although a pharmacy it may not have any 'heavy' drugs but will have prescription drugs. i have a pharmacy on my books which will not stock any narcotics because of the problems of druggies causing staff harasement or 'shooting up' actually in the shop. this system signal's to CS (legacy URN) but relies on shutters and grills for main protection. insurrance premiums are too high even if he switched to a NSI or SSAIB company. this is like a lot of tobaconists, if they go 5 years and then take a 'hit' they may be cleaned out on that occasion but calculate it is still cheaper than paying the premiums over that period and the higher r&m costs of registered companies along with the heavy physical protection costs - calculated risk taken. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Arf, are you suffering from turkey poisoning? Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 We dont because its not the customers fault but was just wondering?!?! we neither - it is not customers fault that we sold them **** equipment*. * reason we only use best quality - not **** - so we don't have to bother because of bad hardware quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Arf, are you suffering from turkey poisoning? no!, my rusdty can of Ovaltine mascerading as Boveril regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 correct jtp that why we disable zone omit by default on all signalling systems. LOL - G3 thou omits zones anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 but Arfur you must remember that James' first concern is for his company. He doesn't want to risk getting sued for contravening any insurance..... The risk taken by the shops employee is the responsibility of the shop owner, not the alarm Co. If it is too risky to have a single female member of staff there, they should arrange more key holding cover. Hi Paul, we need to concider when operations happen outside the normal operational envelope, which faults for what ever reason the cause fall into. the alarm (we assume) is normally reliable, so when the keyholder leaves they woud normally be accompanied by one or two other staff while they lock up. on this occasion, the alarm won't set, the 1 or 2 other staff have to go home for their own reasons, so causing the predicament of a lone female possibly being 'stranded' on site. very fortunately the employer was contactable and to his/her greatest credit decided not to place this person at any personal risk or inconvenience, and ordered the alarm not to be set. so imho, they should have had a facility of partially arming the system as not wonderful but the lesser of 2 evils, as at least this way he can make his way to the site and wait himself for an engineer (which he may have done) or call a keyholding service to attend but he facility for temporary protection should exist. as it was, the system was not armed at all for the night so placing the actual end client at much greater and unecassary finacial risk. if we as professionals are here to protect and advise our clients then having the omit option noted in the spec and informing of possible insurrance issues imo is the proper and prudent way to go, as it offers a degree so better protection all round. well thats my eccentric thinking anyway but i might not use it on say on a Brinks Matt site regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 ...this keyholder is female, and left alone in a drugs store at night with obvious risk from personal attack by an opertinist drug addict, ... well - erm - i don't really understand the UK way to have keyholders.. especially when there is nothing between keyholder and police response. as alan said it is VERY unhealty for a lone female to be in a drugs store at night. in practise it would be very unhealthy to anyone of us. imagine a drug taker who has HIV or hephatitis (or however it is spelled). {Please use caution in the public forums} anyone here who think keyholder should really be any bloke from the staff??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Our public sector clients use a security company for keyholding, but none of our private sector customers do..... and that is down to cost. didn't you miss corporate customers or do you count them in other of the categories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 arfur an insurance company will still stipulate that zone shouldnty be iomiited and the zone omit that we signal is not what you think its for its actually called 'zone omit on rearm' and is designed to inform the client that the system has had to isolate a zone on rearm as it is in alarm. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 In the private sector. They expect the staff to attend. funny - even here they don't and coldshire is one of the safest places in the world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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