Dick Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Let me know what you need clarifying? Are I see previous post, I still stand by my statement , perhaps rephrase a little "most diyers won't use all the outputs and will simply use one output from the panel to activate a dialler for notification, outputs on diallers are rare to be used by diyers , maybe a few do but most don't " Only in my limited opinion and perhaps on the grand scheme of things that's what I have seen Rephrased a lot better. Just to add my system is way too complicated for me to have programmed it all. My installer had worked on it for months on and off expanding it to outbuildings and increasing the amount of this and that. The dialler was largely fun to see how many things we could automate and now I wouldn't be without it. As long as I have access to a phone I can operate all things necessary to come and go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 id love to hear them?But i didnt mean that i meant prrof of path. Ive seen stats that show that a some comms are off line for hours a day and dont show up as an issue So you're saying nothing is actually as guaranteed as maybe thought or just a particular communication method? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 So you're saying nothing is actually as guaranteed as maybe thought or just a particular communication method? Dialler on its own is an issue but it's what people are prepared to pay, better to install a gsm unit along side and also use it to flag line failures etc , if prepared to pay , but most don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Dialler on its own is an issue but it's what people are prepared to pay, better to install a gsm unit along side and also use it to flag line failures etc , if prepared to pay , but most don't You separate a dialler from a GSM 'dialler' which is understandable. To me, as a user, my GSM unit is a dialler and I'd not thought it as any other having not experienced a PTSN dialler. I do get all the different messages via text for faults, tamper etc and any power issues are usually flagged up as well via email courtesy of my DM informing me a camera has gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 One provider (vodaphone) had no service to a local town for a MONTH and were in no hurry to fix, quite recently.  So if you had a GSM setup with a Voda PAYG sim, that's a month of no messaging alone, before we even look at the benefits of polling the path itself on a more frequent basis and assuming multi-provider SIM. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 One provider (vodaphone) had no service to a local town for a MONTH and were in no hurry to fix, quite recently. Â So if you had a GSM setup with a Voda PAYG sim, that's a month of no messaging alone, before we even look at the benefits of polling the path itself on a more frequent basis and assuming multi-provider SIM. In my case though, it is only a month if I can't be bothered to swap the sim from another provider which takes minutes. Or in some cases a multi- network sim might be used and the issue with Vodafone isn't even a problem in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think point is gsm doesn't always work, I had a community centre with this problem dialler dialling out but poor signal occurred on there gsm so did nothing for a day until signal returned , in that case it polls once a day that's how they noticed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think point is gsm doesn't always work, I had a community centre with this problem dialler dialling out but poor signal occurred on there gsm so did nothing for a day until signal returned , in that case it polls once a day that's how they noticedQuite agree and that is where using the sim for more than just notifications, i.e. automation, helps to recognise any problem sooner.Anything is prone to failure with some things more than others. Let's face it, if the Police fail to respond to an RTC report where 2 people were sadly left to die there are weaknesses all round, at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Let's face it, if the Police fail to respond to an RTC report where 2 people were sadly left to die there are weaknesses all round, at times.  Tragic, but nothing to do with an ARC or alarm signalling, though. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Tragic, but nothing to do with an ARC or alarm signalling, though. Indeed but I'd be interested to know how many ARC's have got it wrong or if it went wrong further along the chain. The point is, nothing is fail safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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