We have three corsa vans and they all seem to average about the same, We also have a Y reg Astra with the old 1.7 dti engine and that's actually better on fuel

VAG TDI's are awesome diesel engines, not many other manufacturer's can produce the results that they do

We still have two of the old astra estates with the 1.7 dti, they go on the sniff of diesel fumes and mpg is a lot better than the newer astra's we have with the 1.7 cdti engine. Getting dated looking now though and I guess they will have to go soon.

judging by our new van id hold on to them. I thought new stuff was supposed to be greener and as such cheaper to run?

Greener for the economy

The connects we have are **** for fuel. They are packed out though, racking in the back thats full, 2 short steps, full galv rack, full size steps and extension ladders. Couldn't be arsed taking ladders and rack off every two minutes.

Aaron im not thinking of removing it as and when. Im thinking of taking it of permanantly. If we need big ladders as a one of, ill put the roof rack on the roof rails, and ill take it to site. But im assuming that would be required once every 1 to 2 years?

We use ladders enough that, that wouldn't work for us. You would have to work out if it was worth the cost of a revisit when you need the ladders and don't have them.

If agree that ladders are needed most days but I'm hoping to get them inside.

If agree that ladders are needed most days but I'm hoping to get them inside.

Good luck, only ever seen that work out by just sticking the normal ladders in a large van, no use to you i know. I don't rate the fold away ladders myself.

i used to have a set of fold aways years ago. Didnt use them every day so they were ok. But if it improves mpg by 10-15 mpg im definetly going to do it

You need one of these lol

Not sure what happened since 2008 though

If you have seen the Car Blackbox set-up, little Camera with GPS that sticks to the front window. Some of these come with software that can monitor driving styles or how "green" the driver is using GPS and the shock sensors built in.