Cubit Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 You make valid points about ISO. I've been able to know everything about my business up to now, but I think I'm at the point where I need to seriously consider splashing out on ISO accreditation ... It's all getting too big for one person to be the reference point. Why?? If the 'system' in use is too complex, then the system is wrong. It's surprising how inflexible systems 'complying to ISO' can be. and why do you need someone to come along, read your quality manual and such like then tell you if you are compliant? A common jibe aimed at consultants is: Lend me your watch, i'll tell you what time it is, then i'll sell the watch back to you. I just think quality & consistancy are sometimes confused, with regard to iso. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 cubit. Do you run iso at work then? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-G Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Why??If the 'system' in use is too complex, then the system is wrong. What I would really like to do is spend a day or 2 at the office of another company to see how they run their organisation. I may be doing everything right, but there's always that feeling that maybe I'm missing out on something ....... Any takers? . . . PM me for access to the SSAIB members discussion area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 What I would really like to do is spend a day or 2 at the office of another company to see how they run their organisation. I may be doing everything right, but there's always that feeling that maybe I'm missing out on something ....... Any takers? One possible 'issue', if thats the right word, is the inspectorate. As i see it, many companies adopt a system based on the guidelines suggested by the said inspectorate. The generic guidelines are simply that, generic guidelines. It's surprising how quickly they become perceived defacto standards, as if carved in tablets of stone. The outcome being that many companies may be trying to comply to a system that may not be correct for them, but is one the Inspector is comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 id welcome you to our place ag, infact id even make the tea and coffee. However i think id need to security screen you so i think you can only visit ssaib firms. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Regarding systems and procedures. Who on here considers their system to be: Reactive. ProActive Generative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 whilst realising this is some kind of trap im gonna run right into it. Id say our procedures are all 3 but id also say that in parts they are also calculative securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 whilst realising this is some kind of trap im gonna run right into it.Id say our procedures are all 3 but id also say that in parts they are also calculative James, you cynic. I would they are 2. Whilst you may try and aim for 3, others (ACPO, NSI, etc) will often be 1. Complying with the procedures. rules, regs of said agencies therefore constricts you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 i have to disgaree with that as you know cubit securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 i have to disgaree with that as you know cubit I knew you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 If the 'system' in use is too complex, then the system is wrong. It's surprising how inflexible systems 'complying to ISO' can be. And so often they are: too complex & too rigid. When a small business need only jot down what they do & how they do it, in an everyday, plain English way that anyone can follow - why must they follow a system alien to them, because a paid consultant is familiar with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 so basically the whole std isnt needed? hpotter i dont actually know do you operate iso? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 so basically the whole std isnt needed? hpotter i dont actually know do you operate iso? ISO, like H & S has become a huge industry in its own right. The essence of what each is about is both noble and a positive framework to eradicate sloppy practices. That said, implementing them raises valid issues imo with the 3rd parties holding the rubber stamps (yep thats a dig). Where ISO stands out is that pigeon hole syndrome. No two businesses are the same regardless they are trading in the same industry. Thats where innovation florishes. Its not about bending the rules, nor making the rules suit. Its about the rules (or at least those rubber stamping) acknowleging the differences, and accepting something can be done 10 different ways. I posted above - quality & consistancy are two different things. You can consistantly make HQ rubber washers or consistantly make ok rubber washers - both acceptable for ISO. Of the 3 firms we operate 1 is ISO accredited, though all 3 operate on very similar lines. (Would add proberbly going to have to get a second ISO'd - to take advantage of current business climate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 ok i see where your coming from. (Would add proberbly going to have to get a second ISO'd - to take advantage of current business climate) but why bother then? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 but why bother then? Well, I didnt join forum to shout, & not about to now. I'll leave it that we have bought up the odd v small firms over the past ten+ years & opportunities are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samnaffy Posted March 9, 2009 Author Share Posted March 9, 2009 Cor blimmey i only wanted advice. Which, by the way has been outstanding thankyou very much everyone. But i think i have started something very different between a few people . Keep up the good work lads!!! Your all doing a sterling job! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-G Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Cor blimmey i only wanted advice. Which, by the way has been outstanding thankyou very much everyone. But i think i have started something very different between a few people . Keep up the good work lads!!! Your all doing a sterling job! . We're not right good at staying on topic .... but some of our best and most informative threads come about by us drifting onto other subjects. . . . PM me for access to the SSAIB members discussion area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJBsec Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 a sterling job! Now you've really upset a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rulland Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Spit the dog springs to mind LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Cor blimmey i only wanted advice. Sorry. I occasionally confuse advice with opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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