arfur mo Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Classic, Nice get out. life's full of surprises one of the best bits of cheek - but not mine -: working for the same co i get called to a factory, client complains shortly after he arrives so do the Police and has happened several times. so i'm scratching my chin as i can see from the site card it's the local engineer has made several calls. so, back to basics and i go through the openning routine with the key holder, not unusual then for them to throw the key with dor open to find he actually enters thorough a side door which has a Chub Shunt Lock to cut out the door contact. pretty obviouse the Chubbs contact is not working properly. strips it down, cleans and adjusts now all tested and working ok. but as i'm leaving, the key-holder says to my astonishment - and i quote "please tell Dave (the local service engineer) he, the client was not imagining the Police turning up",. Gods honest truth that is exactelly what this Dave admited he had told him instead of fixing the fault grrrr!. how the heck he got away with that one i just don't know, but did i 'TELL HIM!'. Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 life's full of surprises one of the best bits of cheek - but not mine -: working for the same co i get called to a factory, client complains shortly after he arrives so do the Police and has happened several times. so i'm scratching my chin as i can see from the site card it's the local engineer has made several calls. so, back to basics and i go through the openning routine with the key holder, not unusual then for them to throw the key with dor open to find he actually enters thorough a side door which has a Chub Shunt Lock to cut out the door contact. pretty obviouse the Chubbs contact is not working properly. strips it down, cleans and adjusts now all tested and working ok. but as i'm leaving, the key-holder says to my astonishment - and i quote "please tell Dave (the local service engineer) he, the client was not imagining the Police turning up",. Gods honest truth that is exactelly what this Dave admited he had told him instead of fixing the fault grrrr!. how the heck he got away with that one i just don't know, but did i 'TELL HIM!'. Arfur Arf: I gotta say I think you did, from what i've seen you tell it as you see it. Customers Love us, Intruders Hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oxo Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 mistake by armatures is very simple, move the lock to the correct position, fill the pocket and fit finger plates to cover the holes made in the wrong place for the keys, the plates actually enhanced the doors appearance. given thre grief i had to absorb i insisted the locky stayed and watched, making no light matter watching a true expert????? at work . i don't know if he ever got paid - i do know my firm did not pay his bill and got paid my time, i also know i got a £20 tip sweet! Arfur No locksmith or expert there then. Move the lockcase???? WTF and weaken the door. Why not move the striking plate in the door frame which can take a bit of extra cutting out and making good. Technical observation here, when you mortise a door for a lock you weaken the surrounding area hence the makers recommend a "snug fit". Chiselling out more timber makes it worse. Another reason why Lock guards were made and used! One more reason I know there was no locksmith or any carpenter of any degree there, that is after fitting the lockcase you mark off onto the frame the bolt position before cutting in the striking plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Another reason why Lock guards were made and used! whats a "lock guard" ? Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oxo Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Metal plate to clamp the door around the lock, increases the door strength by about 1000% around the lock. Some examples. http://www.locksonline.co.uk/acatalog/Lockguards.html We used to make them before every other git started to manufacture them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Metal plate to clamp the door around the lock, increases the door strength by about 1000% around the lock. Some examples. http://www.locksonline.co.uk/acatalog/Lockguards.html We used to make them before every other git started to manufacture them! oh right'o I can honestly say I've never seen one ! thought you meant a template for router or something..... Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 1000% ? Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oxo Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 We made them years ago and used to supply Aldridge before everyone started making them. Same as London Bars and Birmingham Bars. There are some lock "router template cutters" about. ACT Test Meters do one a copy I believe of Souber Tools ( Paul Souber was our sales rep before he went alone). However I have never rated them and cut my mortise in freehand. Ie with a 19mm drill and a hammer and chisel. Actually faster too if you know what your doing. Anyway, here`s a little one for you. On a job with another locksmith, he asked to use my chisels as his were in the car. He assumed they were like his and hit one very hard, it cut thru the door like it was butter and came out the side.................One free set of lockguards and no one the wiser and the door was actually stronger. his chisels were not only in his car but blunt as hell!!! Mine are always honed and as sharp as you can get, even now. Makes door contacts so easy to fit flush. 1000% ? Taken from a flyer, cannot find our old one, but it was over 25 yrs ago we were making these! Home Office statistics show that 71% of burglars target the doors of a property, usually by forcing a lock - October 2004. Until they've experienced a 'kick-in' burglary, most people aren't aware that chiselling and removing wood to fit locks will unavoidably result in much weakened door security. Because fitting most door locks involves removing wood, the weakened door or frame will split open around the locks and hinges during a forced attack or 'kick-in' burglary - unless extra measures are taken to strengthen the door by also fitting a London Bar, Birmingham Bar, Frame Guard, Hinge Guard or Lock Guard security device. Kickstops do not require locking, bolting or activating and therefore cannot be forgotten. They provide greatly enhanced physical strength and security constantly - each time the door is closed and locked. Kickstop products are not additional locking devices and are designed to reinforce and strengthen the door and the door frame around the existing locks and hinges. On improved security, the Metropolitan Police and other police forces recommend fitting various products including a London bar, Birmingham bar, a lockguard kit, frameguard and hinge guard. For several years now, Target Hardening programmes throughout Britian have used Kickstops - to great effect. Taking 100% as a factor of 1. 1000% = 10 times stronger at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 thanks for the maths lesson, it meant a lot, just struggled to see a 10 fold increase. best door you can get seems to be a council house uPvc one, the rozzers struggle like feck to batter them in, the bounce factor always makes me lol Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oxo Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 thanks for the maths lesson, it meant a lot, just struggled to see a 10 fold increase. You have to see it in action to see the added strength. We did a council estate and when finished the crime rate for " kick in" burglary was reduced 98%. It was this that started the phrase " Target Hardening". The then Home Secretary visited us and praised the works completed. There were also write ups in national papers and Harpers and Queen for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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