Guest anguscanplay Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 unfortunately not...worked a few times then flickered lots, dimmed & flickered then refused to work again... when I took it apart the control module with light sensor & pir smelt the usual singed way... and whats better is that the supplier exchanged it (even with me telling the truth!!) ah next time try harder ( leave the BIG fuse in ) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 forgot to add, didn't even trip the rcd - lots of reassurance not TSS Communication is "A question asked, and an Opinion given." I offer mine to help you with yours. Statements I make are my personal views only at the time they are posted, if I offend you sorry, must be taken in context and do not neccesarily represent those of my employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 not if its on a plug top DIY heaven true AE and thats one of the daftest thing about the legislation, you can put a lamp on a 13 amp fused plug and whack it into a 30amp ring main and be fully legal, yet if wired it directly of the lighting circuit via a fused spur where it will also be protected by a 6amp RCD i can be prosecuted - absolutely crackers or what? regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 not if its on a plug top DIY heaven true Accident and Emergancyand thats one of the daftest thing about the legislation, you can put a lamp on a 13 amp fused plug and whack it into a 30amp ring main and be fully legal, yet if wired it directly of the lighting circuit via a fused spur where it will also be protected by a 6amp RCD i can be prosecuted - absolutely crackers or what? regs alan lol thats where they`ll be if theres no " socket suitable for conection to device used outdoors " lol or however the IEE phrase it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 true AEand thats one of the daftest thing about the legislation, you can put a lamp on a 13 amp fused plug and whack it into a 30amp ring main and be fully legal, yet if wired it directly of the lighting circuit via a fused spur where it will also be protected by a 6amp RCD i can be prosecuted - absolutely crackers or what? regs alan we have LBHA contractS and fit hundreds a year, all used to be on a switched spurS, not now. LABC won't pay for part p costs of extra labour ect. so all are now on plug tops, looks real professional. this is one of the main reasons i hate part p. A much more DIY looking job but its all above board. STUPID! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BellMan371 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 we have LBHA contractS and fit hundreds a year, all used to be on a switched spurS, not now.LABC won't pay for part p costs of extra labour ect. so all are now on plug tops, looks real professional. this is one of the main reasons i hate part p. A much more DIY looking job but its all above board. STUPID! this is why it hasnt stopped DIY only made it WORSE and some of the dangerous things ive seen lately you would not believe. like today went to do a kitchen on a rewire i did 2 months ago, went into garage as id disconnected the ring the kitchen so made it temporarily two radial curcits anyway went into garage where the consumer is to change the kitchene sockets from 32amps to 20 amps and what did i fing the guy had only clipped a 6 way extension lead from the socket in the garage to the other end and put a 6 gang socket on the one end and a plug top on the other, looks real professional NOT like i say its more dangerous now than it ever used to be and all because of stupid labour government. TWOT IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateurandy Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I'm just trying to clarify my understanding of Part P re security lights. I want to put up an additional outside light above my back door, and there's a convenient unused double socket on the ring main just inside the door. In "the good old days" I would probably have run a spur off this (nicely channelled in the plaster) through a DP fused switch then drilled straight through the wall to the back of the light fitting. Job done. Presumably now I basically do the same thing, but I use standard 3-core flex on the plaster surface, and put a plug on the end then plug that into the socket. I do have an alternative as the ring main actually feeds down from the ceiling, so I could break into that near the top of the door to spur off from a junction box at high level. But would Part P allow that? The plug option is maybe a bit easier but not exactly elegant! Comments please (stands well back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I'm just trying to clarify my understanding of Part P re security lights.I want to put up an additional outside light above my back door, and there's a convenient unused double socket on the ring main just inside the door. In "the good old days" I would probably have run a spur off this (nicely channelled in the plaster) through a DP fused switch then drilled straight through the wall to the back of the light fitting. Job done. Presumably now I basically do the same thing, but I use standard 3-core flex on the plaster surface, and put a plug on the end then plug that into the socket. I do have an alternative as the ring main actually feeds down from the ceiling, so I could break into that near the top of the door to spur off from a junction box at high level. But would Part P allow that? The plug option is maybe a bit easier but not exactly elegant! Comments please (stands well back) as long as the socket / connection isnt in a special location and the cable will be terminated immediatly on leaving the buiding within the enclosure of the fitting then do it the old way ( rules were clarified to allow this ) - dont forget to turn it off first lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateurandy Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 as long as the socket / connection isnt in a special location and the cable will be terminated immediatly on leaving the buiding within the enclosure of the fitting then do it the old way ( rules were clarified to allow this ) - dont forget to turn it off first lol Utility room - is that a special location? Chest freezer, tumble dryer, washer and sink. Not a habitable room. And if it is, then what? And how immediate is immediate. Does the cable have to be not seen from outside, i.e. emerge behind the fitting (not always possible given some designs of security light fitting) or can it come out of the wall and traverse a few inches (or more?) as long as there are no joints etc. and it runs directly and only to the fitting? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Utility room - is that a special location? Chest freezer, tumble dryer, washer and sink. Not a habitable room.And if it is, then what? And how immediate is immediate. Does the cable have to be not seen from outside, i.e. emerge behind the fitting (not always possible given some designs of security light fitting) or can it come out of the wall and traverse a few inches (or more?) as long as there are no joints etc. and it runs directly and only to the fitting? Thanks. allways the same you with the difficult questions lol utility ? dont quote me but would say as long as it hasnt got a sink you would be ok , but deffo no visible cable - even the rain loop makes it noncompliant ( bit of a stupid rule imo ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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