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#1 Service Engineer

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 03:17 PM

Just received my ECS card, and was wondering whether anyone else has one..?

Is having one of these cards worthwhile..?

CSCS aims to register every competent construction operative within the UK not currently on a skills registration scheme. Operatives will get an individual registration card (similar to a credit card) which lasts for three or five years. The CSCS card also provides evidence that the holder has undergone health and safety awareness training or testing.

As part of the Industry's drive to raise the level of Health & Safety awareness in response to the Government and the Health & Safety Executive initiatives, the ECS is introducing a Health and Safety Assessment as a requirement for holding an ECS card. This forms part of the Affiliation Agreement with CSCS. The test is now available and becomes mandatory from February 2003.


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Posted 10 October 2004 - 03:39 PM

Been thinking about this one since my JIB card expired. Have spoken to some of the larger local builders and no one is asking for them round our way yet.

If you have to have one, I have no objection sitting the test it looks easy enough i can not see it will improve health & safety though.
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Posted 10 October 2004 - 04:24 PM

i have an ecs one purely for the fire alarm industry, ran through jib and bfpsa never been asked for it on site when commissioning though yet, also got passport to safety as used to work on a chemical plant and it was one of thier requirements
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Posted 10 October 2004 - 04:55 PM

Been thinking about this one since my JIB card expired


Mine was issued through the "JIb".
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Posted 10 October 2004 - 05:41 PM

On the bigger sites (taylor woodrow laing orurkes etc) you wont get on site unless you have one and they do check for them. You have to have one to work at asda (they never check them) and as someone mentioned earlier i dont see how they will improve H&S but i dont think theyre meant to.
I think theyre meant to cover the arses of the companies that are getting hammered for compensation. If you have an accident and you havent followed the the H&S requirements, in the past it was the employers fault for not ensuring you had.
Now its your own fault as you have passed a test showing you have the knowledge and should have known better. And whats more you have to pay to prove you know! :realmad:
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Posted 10 October 2004 - 10:33 PM

The company i worked for arranged and paid for the entire workforce to go on the multi - guess exam last year but i also did the similar JIB one as well so now i,ve got 2 cards to prove i,m safety conscious!! :)

being serious though i do think they are a good idea - it hopefully helps to stop all the silly and daft things happening on building sites that we have all seen i,m sure. :!:

paul

PS you soon won,t have a choice - no card , no get on site!!

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 10:39 PM

Yup, it's a good idea. It encourages experience and/or qualifications but you're right, the health and safety is a joke!!
Will have mine as soon as I have the time to take the H&S test
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:23 PM

I have been warned about CSCS as they charge the construction industry huge levies! The CSCS card is the beginning of incorporating the security industry into the construction industry, which is widely believed to be a very expensive and therefore bad idea imo! In this day and age of reducing margins and increasing competitiveness etc can your company cope with a 5% levy on turnover?

Example

ABC Alarms employ 5 engineers, and have a turnover of 500k. The profit is 100k.

A 5% levy would be 25k thats 25% of the profit made!

How far does 25k go? thats the same as a 5,000 pound payrise for each engineer!

or half a new Astravan each? 38 new Dewalt drills per engineer, per year!

Most companies I have worked for could/would not stand for that type of charge!!!

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:30 PM

incorporating security to any other industry sounds BAD and STINKS..

if it is as a-b said I would BAN CSCS now, before it is too late..
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:37 PM

Sometimes some of your posts get maybe a bit mixed up due to loose translation maybe but then again Georg generally you dont half come up with some absolute //.B.W.F.//! Are you sure your in Finland and not Farringdon?

Edited by ian.cant, 12 October 2004 - 08:49 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:41 PM

Sometimes some of your posts get maybe a bit mixed up due to loose translation maybe but then again Georg generally you dont half come up with some abosulte //.B.W.F.//! Are you sure your in Finland and not Farringdon?

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:lol:

Haven't yet find a place called Farringdon here :w00t: !!!

PLEASE forgive me if I misunderstand some parts. :unsure:
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:46 PM

...abosulte //.B.W.F.//!

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Though I still didn't find a word "abosulte" in any of my dictionaries... :huh:
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:46 PM

Sometimes some of your posts get maybe a bit mixed up due to loose translation maybe but then again Georg generally you dont half come up with some abosulte //.B.W.F.//! Are you sure your in Finland and not Farringdon?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: georg you def got that glayky mackem look....hendon id say..
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:50 PM

Let me put it this way..

I have been warned about CSCS as they charge the construction industry huge levies!  The CSCS card is the beginning of incorporating the security industry into the construction industry, which is widely believed to be a very expensive and therefore bad idea imo!  In this day and age of reducing margins and increasing competitiveness etc can your company cope with a 5% levy on turnover?

Example

ABC Alarms employ 5 engineers, and have a turnover of 500k.  The profit is 100k.

A 5% levy would be 25k thats 25% of the profit made!

How far does 25k go? thats the same as a 5,000 pound payrise for each engineer!

or half a new Astravan each? 38 new Dewalt drills per engineer, per year!

Most companies I have worked for could/would not stand for that type of charge!!!

James

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If it is like this, CSCS has to remain BANNED until charges are reasonable...
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:52 PM

This what CSCS is georg......it cant be banned when its goverment backed.

http://www.cscs.uk.com/default.asp
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:54 PM

Sometimes some of your posts get maybe a bit mixed up due to loose translation maybe but then again Georg generally you dont half come up with some abosulte //.B.W.F.//! Are you sure your in Finland and not Farringdon?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: georg you def got that glayky mackem look....hendon id say..

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could i have that in english please...???
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:54 PM

This what CSCS is georg......it cant be banned when its goverment backed.

http://www.cscs.uk.com/default.asp

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:w00t: revolt??
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:56 PM

the security industry should be incorporated, then we could get some serious regs in place and get shot of the cowboys and get some decent pay for alarm engineers...
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:57 PM

This what CSCS is georg......it cant be banned when its goverment backed.

http://www.cscs.uk.com/default.asp

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:w00t: revolt??

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you missed the 'ing' off.....
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 08:58 PM

yes, revolt. If you have to have this and fee is 5% of turnover it is like an extra tax but it doesn't go to the state but into few peoples pocket.
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